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#41 Post by Woody » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 am

Well this is surprising, Zuma, hands himself in!

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafri ... a-20210708
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#42 Post by ian16th » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:12 am

Not really, if he hadn't done he would have another charge to add to his rap sheet.
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#43 Post by Ex-Ascot » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:54 am

He will be the Harry Grout (Porridge) of Pretoria Central Prison which I see he renamed.
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#44 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:04 am

Woody wrote:
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Well this is surprising, Zuma, hands himself in!

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafri ... a-20210708
He was done up like a kipper. He didn't hand himself in so much as his protection unit, who are all cops, simply arrested him! =))
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#45 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:14 pm

If that is the case GG can't he face further charges for not reporting as ordered?
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#46 Post by llondel » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:13 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 am
Well this is surprising, Zuma, hands himself in!

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafri ... a-20210708
He was done up like a kipper. He didn't hand himself in so much as his protection unit, who are all cops, simply arrested him! =))
I wondered about a similar thing if there was a warrant out for Trump's arrest. Would his secret service people escort him to hand himself in or would they attempt to protect him against the police?

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#47 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:51 am

Was discussing this with a S.A. friend yesterday. It is possible that his protection offices were supporters of his. He also says that he is going to be treated like a King in prison he will have so many supporters there.
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#48 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:45 pm

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... d-gauteng/

A lot of opportunistic criminality and social unrest amongst the real hardship midst the lumpen proletariat.
The SA National Defence Force (SANDF) started pre-deployment activity in line with a request for assistance from the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NatJoints) to assist law enforcement in Gauteng and KwaZulu Natal in quelling rioting and violence, apparently in response to Jacob Zuma starting a prison sentence for contempt of court.

“The duration and number of deploying soldiers will be determined by an assessment of the situation on the ground by relevant law enforcement agencies. Further, it must be emphasised the SANDF deployment objective is to provide safety and a safe working environment for police and other law enforcement agencies while they carry out constitutionally mandated law and order duties. SANDF deployment-related information updates will follow in due course.”

The deployment will likely be under the existing Operation Prosper internal operation, and will see soldiers assisting the SA Police Service and other law enforcement entities, including metro police.

KwaZulu-Natal was first gripped by sporadic unrest on Friday with incidents of looting and vandalism which later spread to Gauteng.

Police Ministry spokeswoman Lirandzu Themba said law enforcement agencies nationally arrested 219 since unrest startedt, 96 in Gauteng and 123 in KwaZulu-Natal . Dozens of trucks were burnt and at least seven people killed.

Major General Mathapelo Peters, Head: Corporate Communication and Liaison at SA Police Service National Head Office, said in the statement police in Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal are on high alert “in response to opportunistic criminality and violent protests”.

He reports KwaZulu-Natal police overnight dispersed crowds and foiled attempts to barricade roads adding NatJoints is “working around the clock to enhance operational capacity at provincial level in response to incidents in which people appear to be undermining the authority of the State, including the flouting of the DMA (Disaster Management Act) regulations”.

Speaking on television on Sunday evening, Cyril Ramaphosa said rioting and violence affected key infrastructure, destroyed property and saw people intimidated, threatened and “even hurt”. This was concerning as it appeared some of the violence was “based on ethnic mobilisation”.

“This must be condemned by all South Africans at all costs as we are a nation committed to non-racialism and non-tribalism underpinned by the diversity and unity of all the people of South Africa, whatever their language, culture, religious beliefs and race.

“Our commitment to our democratic Constitution is based on the fundamental principle that all people are equal before the law and all people have the right to equal protection before the law,” he told viewers.
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Troubling news in parts of Natal...

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#51 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:27 pm

Time to start using deadly force en masse if necessary I am afraid!
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#53 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm

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Rapper shot as many as 64 times as he walked out of Chicago jail
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Rapper shot as many as 64 times as he walked out of Chicago jail
Londre Sylvester, 31, was walking to a waiting vehicle when several suspects “exited two separate vehicles and all began to shoot," police said.

CHICAGO — A man who was apparently ambushed after being released from the Cook County Jail in Chicago suffered as many as 64 bullet wounds to his head and other parts of his body, police said.

The shooting Saturday night killed Londre Sylvester, 31, a police report said. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.

NBC Chicago reported the victim was a local rapper who went by the stage name KTS Dre.


Sylvester had just been released after being fitted for electronic monitoring and was walking to a waiting vehicle when several suspects “exited two separate vehicles and all began to shoot in Sylvester’s direction, striking him numerous times,” the police report said.

The killing comes amid a rise in shootings this year in Chicago and broader concerns nationwide about increasing violence. On Monday, Chicago police Superintendent David Brown was among city and law enforcement leaders from around the United States meeting with President Joe Biden about efforts to reduce crime.

Following Saturday night’s shooting, the suspects reentered their vehicles and fled the scene, police said.

A 60-year-old woman who was with Sylvester was shot in one of her knees and was hospitalized in good condition, police said. A second woman, who is in her 30s, suffered a graze wound to her mouth, police said.

Sylvester had posted $5,000 bail on Friday, the Chicago Tribune reported. He had been ordered held on $50,000 bail on July 1 after prosecutors last month hit him with a petition for violation of bail bond for allegedly failing to meet conditions of his release in a 2020 felony gun case.

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#54 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:21 pm

He was obviously popular!

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#55 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:13 am

As ever it is the private security companies that lead the way in South Africa!

https://mg.co.za/news/2021-07-13-privat ... d-looting/

Meanwhile the organised mayhem continues...

https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/pic ... 0cb9a20976

One might have called this anarchy but there are clearly malign actors at work here. In areas people are being bussed in to commit these crimes and activists are stoking the grievances based upon the poverty that make these people fertile ground for their nefarious agenda.
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#56 Post by Ex-Ascot » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Mr Ramaphosa was accused of belatedly deploying troops - and only 2,500 of them compared with the 70,000 he deployed to enforce a nationwide lockdown to curb the spread of Covid-19 last year.
Why?

Zuma is just the catalyst. This has been planned for ages. There is something very sinister behind this. When they have finished in the cities they are going to move to the suburbs and probably target predominantly white occupied estates.
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#57 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:42 pm

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Mr Ramaphosa was accused of belatedly deploying troops - and only 2,500 of them compared with the 70,000 he deployed to enforce a nationwide lockdown to curb the spread of Covid-19 last year.
Why?

Zuma is just the catalyst. This has been planned for ages. There is something very sinister behind this. When they have finished in the cities they are going to move to the suburbs and probably target predominantly white occupied estates.
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#58 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:42 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:42 pm
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:04 pm
Mr Ramaphosa was accused of belatedly deploying troops - and only 2,500 of them compared with the 70,000 he deployed to enforce a nationwide lockdown to curb the spread of Covid-19 last year.
Why?

Zuma is just the catalyst. This has been planned for ages. There is something very sinister behind this. When they have finished in the cities they are going to move to the suburbs and probably target predominantly white occupied estates.
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Zuma spy Thulani Dlomo investigated for stoking unrest – News24

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Former state security agents close to ex-President Jacob Zuma are being investigated for stoking unrest in Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal.

The former head of the State Security Agency's special operations unit, Thulani Dlomo, has been identified as a prime suspect, according to News24.

Dlomo operated the unit as Zuma’s private militia, the Zondo Commission heard earlier this year.

He was fired from the SSA in 2019 amid numerous corruption allegations against him.
Durban – AFTER spending two days listening to a witness implicating him in the alleged looting of funds belonging to the State Security Agency (SSA) before the Zondo commission, former spymaster Dlomo says he is ready to state his side of the story.

After his stint, Dlomo became the country’s ambassador to Japan but he was recalled in 2018 when the Cyril Ramaphosa administration took over. Among the reasons cited for his recall by the Department of International Relations and Co-operation (Dirco) were the shenanigans at SSA.


Before the diplomatic posting, Dlomo, who is a former MK combatant, was the director of special operations at the spy agency. There are claims that he was hand-picked by former president Jacob Zuma to run the unit.

Now, in the latest claims before the commission which is probing allegations of state capture during the Zuma presidency, a masked witness testifying under the nom de plume of Ms K, has dragged Dlomo into the claims of mismanagement at the agency.

Among the claims were that the funds of the unit were looted with impunity and a parallel structure of intelligence and security was created by Dlomo with the intention of benefiting Zuma.
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#59 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:06 pm

Prince Machela of THE SOWETAN TIMES wrote regarding the post-apartheid South-Africa and asks the question: What can we do about it?

"In the midst of the political confusion that has gripped our country, many people are wondering if we have come to the end of South Africa.

The answer is simple: The thing called an "end" does not exist, not in relation to a country. SA will be there long after Jacob Zuma is gone.

What Zuma has done, is to make us come to the realisation that ours is just another African country, not some exceptional country on the southern tip of the African continent.

During the presidency of Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki, some among us used to believe that the black people of SA are better than those of other African countries.

We must all thank Zuma for revealing our true African character; that the idea of rule of law is not part of who we are, & that
constitutionalism is a concept far ahead of us as a people.

How else are we to explain the thousands of people who flock to stadiums to clap hands for a president who has violated their country's constitution? Such people have no idea of constitutionalism.

Now that we have reclaimed our place as another African country, we must reflect on & come to terms with our real character, and imagine what our future portends.

In a typical African country, ordinary people don't expect much of politicians, because people get tired of repeated empty promises.

In a typical African country, people have no illusions about the unity of morality and governance. People know that those who have power, have it for themselves & their friends and families.

The idea that the state is an instrument for people's development, is a Western concept, and has been copied by pockets of Asian countries.

Africans & their leaders don't like to copy from the West. They are happy to remain African, & do things "the African way".

The African way, is rule by kings, chiefs & indunas, in a setting of unwritten rules. Is there anyone who has seen a book of African customary laws?

The idea that a commoner can raise questions about public money spent on the residence of a king, is not African. The ANC MPs who have been defending Zuma, are true Africans.

Asking a ruler to be accountable is a foreign - Western - idea. In a situation where there is conflict between a ruler and laws, Africans simply change the laws to protect the ruler. This is why no single white person has called for King Dalindyebo to be released from jail.

The problem with clever blacks, is that they think they live in Europe,where ideas of democracy have been refined over centuries.

What we need to do is to come back to reality, and accept that ours is a typical African country. Such a return to reality will give us a
fairly good idea of what SA's future might look like ...

This country will not look like Denmark. It might look like Nigeria, where anti-corruption crusaders are an oddity. Being an African country, ours will not look like Germany. SA might look like Kenya, where tribalism drives politics.

People must not entertain the illusion that a day is coming when SA will look like the USA. Our future is more on the side of Zimbabwe, where one ruler is more powerful than the rest of the population. Even if Julius Malema were to become president, it would still be the same.

African leaders don't like the idea of an educated populace, for clever people are difficult to govern. Mandela and Mbeki were
themselves corrupted by Western education. (Admission: this columnist is also corrupted by such education.)

Zuma remains African. His mentality is in line with Boko Haram. He is suspicious of educated people; what he calls "clever blacks". Remember that Boko Haram means "Against Western Education".

The people who think we have come to the end of SA, don't realise that we have actually come to the beginning of a real African country, away from the Western illusions of exceptionalism. Those who are unsettled by this true African character need help. The best we can do for them is to ask them to look north of the Limpopo River, to learn more about governance in Africa.

What makes most people restless about the future of SA, is that they have Western models in mind, forgetting that ours is an African country.

The idea that a president can resign simply because a court of law has delivered an adverse judgment is Western. Only the Prime Minister of Iceland does that; African rulers will never do that.

Analysed carefully, the notion of SA coming to an "end" is an expression of a Western value system - of accountability, political morality, reason, and so on.

All these are lofty ideas of Socrates, Kant, Hegel, and so on. They are not African.

All of us must thank Jacob Zuma for introducing us to the real African Republic of South Africa, not some outpost of European values."
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#60 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:08 am

Best synopsis of this situation that I have read to date.
Jane Duncan is a professor in the Department of Journalism, Film and Television at the University of Johannesburg. She is author of Stopping the Spies: Constructing and Resisting the Surveillance State in South Africa.

As chaos unfolds on the streets of South Africa, analyses abound of what the drivers of the chaos are. Some point to criminality, others to a political assault on the government fuelled by inter-ANC rivalries. Still others emphasise unemployment and inequality as key drivers, likening the mobilisations to food riots.

By this stage, the mobilisations (I hesitate to call them protests) appear to contain all these elements. However, one analysis that has yet to come to the fore is that the mobilisations contain elements of a counter-intelligence operation against a sitting president.

Recognising the patterns of a classic counterintelligence playbook helps us to understand the ways in which the chaos is unfolding, identify the kinds of covert action being used, and anticipate the likely trajectories.
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