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US submarine hits underwater object in South China Sea

#1 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:41 pm

US submarine hits underwater object in South China Sea

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(CNN)A US nuclear powered submarine struck an object underwater in the South China Sea on Saturday, according to two defense officials.

A number of sailors on board the USS Connecticut were injured in the accident, the officials said. None of the injuries were life-threatening, according to a statement from US Pacific Fleet. It's unclear what the Seawolf-class submarine may have hit while it was submerged.
"The submarine remains in a safe and stable condition. USS Connecticut's nuclear propulsion plant and spaces were not affected and remain fully operational," the statement said. "The incident will be investigated." The US Navy did not specify the incident took place in the South China Sea, only that it occurred in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region.
The accident happened as tensions between the US and China soared over the Chinese military's incursions into Taiwan's Air Defense Integration Zone (ADIZ).

The Connecticut was operating in the waters around the South China Sea as the US and its allies have been carrying out a major multinational show of force in the region, known as Carrier Strike Group 21. The ongoing exercise saw ships from the US, UK, Japan, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands, including three aircraft carriers, training in and around the area.
On Saturday, 39 Chinese military aircraft, including fighter jets and transport aircraft, entered Taiwan's ADIZ, causing the Taiwanese air force to scramble jets and deploy air defense missiles to monitor the aircraft. Two days later, China sent 56 aircraft into Taiwan's ADIZ within 24 hours, the highest number since the self-governed island began publicly releasing such numbers last year.
"We are very concerned by the PRC's provocative military activity near Taiwan," US Secretary of State Tony Blinken told reporters at a news conference in Paris Wednesday when asked about the Chinese activity. "As we said, the activity is destabilizing. It risks miscalculation and it has the potential to undermine regional peace and stability. So, we strongly urge Beijing to cease its military, diplomatic and economic pressure and coercion directed at Taiwan."
Taiwan warns China could invade by 2025
On Wednesday, Taiwan's defense minister, Chiu Kuo-cheng, said China could be read to launch a "full-scale" invasion of the island by 2025, adding that "they currently have the ability" to attack, but they would have to "pay a price."
The Biden administration has shifted the focus of US national security policy away from the wars of the past two decades and towards Beijing, which has asserted itself in the region and on the world stage. On Thursday, the Central Intelligence Agency announced the creation of a new mission center for China following a months-long review that found China as the greatest long-term threat to the United States.
One day earlier, national security adviser Jake Sullivan met a high-ranking Chinese official in Switzerland in what one senior administration official called a "candid, direct, and wide-ranging discussion."

The meeting, which the official said had a "different tone" than an acrimonious meeting between Sullivan and his Chinese counterpart six months ago, set the stage for a virtual meeting between President Joe Biden and Chinese President Xi Jinping later this year in an effort to ensure stability.
But the agreement in-principle between the two leaders to meet did little to alleviate the current friction in the region, nor did it ease the friction around the South China Sea, where China has built a series of bases on reefs and artificial islands in the disputed waterway.
In response to a report in the Wall Street Journal on the presence of US troops in Taiwan, the Pentagon highlighted its support for Taiwan and its defense needs.
"Our support for and defense relationship with Taiwan remains aligned against the current threat posed by the People's Republic of China," said Pentagon spokesman John Supple on Thursday, accusing China of actions that are "destabilizing and increase the risk of miscalculation."

As relations between the US and China soured, the State Department requested in June 2018 that US Marines be sent to Taiwan help safeguard the de facto US embassy there. At the time, there were only 10 US troops in the Taiwan, according to Defense Department workforce records, and only one was from the Marine Corps, which is the branch of the military in charge of embassy security. The number gradually increased to 19 troops two years later, before jumping to 32 troops earlier this year, the records show. Similarly, the number of US troops in China increased from 14 in 2018 to 55 now, the majority of which are Marines.
"The US defense relationship with Taiwan is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act and based on an assessment of Taiwan's defense needs and the threat posed by the PRC, as has been the case for more than 40 years," Supple said.
The comments are part of a series of escalating rhetorical attacks between the two superpowers engaged in what Pentagon officials call "Great Power Competition."
Earlier this week, China criticized the US for what it called "irresponsible remarks," after the US condemned the Chinese military flights in Taiwan's ADIZ. "In recent times, the United States has continued its negative actions in selling weapons to Taiwan and boosting its official military ties between the United States and Taiwan," said the spokeswoman of China's Foreign Ministry, Hua Chunying.

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#3 Post by OFSO » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:57 pm

Would have been strange if the sub had hit an object that wasn't underwater.

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#4 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:52 pm

The not so astute skipper of Astute managed to do that. He perched his boat on a drying shingle bank near the Skye Bridge, much to the delight of Russian and Chinese 'tourists' who soon arrived with hi-res digital cameras and long lenses to do some photogrammetry on the propulsor and the casing's sonar arrays.

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#5 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:54 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:52 pm
The not so astute skipper of Astute managed to do that. He perched his boat on a drying shingle bank near the Skye Bridge, much to the delight of Russian and Chinese 'tourists' who soon arrived with hi-res digital cameras and long lenses to do some photogrammetry on the propulsor and the casing's sonar arrays.
I assume that he now captains a rowing boat on the Serpentine?
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#6 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:57 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:54 pm
Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:52 pm
The not so astute skipper of Astute managed to do that. He perched his boat on a drying shingle bank near the Skye Bridge, much to the delight of Russian and Chinese 'tourists' who soon arrived with hi-res digital cameras and long lenses to do some photogrammetry on the propulsor and the casing's sonar arrays.
I assume that he now captains a rowing boat on the Serpentine?
He's probably the Admiralty's Head of Procurement. Or mebbe Head of Sales for Bae Systems, which pretty much amounts to the same thing.

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#7 Post by Boac » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:45 am

The commander, executive officer and senior enlisted sailor for attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) have been fired following the results of an investigation into the Oct. 2 underwater collision in the South China Sea, the Navy announced on Thursday.

Stated "'a lack of confidence in...."

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#8 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:46 am

Has the USN published the co-ords of the previously uncharted seamount?

If not, why not?

The normal practice is to publish what is called a Hydrographic Note.

Are they withholding the safety information in the hope that a Chinese sub will blunder into it? Or is it perhaps not uncharted at all?

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#9 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:32 am

Occurs to me that a sea mount is just a subsurface island waiting for Chinese developers.

As for Hydrographic Notes, are we quite sure that UK and US shared their hydrographic survey data with the USSR?

Any obstruction that would not hinder safe surface navigation might provide tactical advantage to the submariner.

We used to use blank plotting charts bearing simply a latitude and longitude grid. As our kit improved over the Shackleton it was realised we needed better knowledge of the subsurface picture. We then got underwater charts with subsurface contours, wrecks and pipelines marked.

We also had access to classified underlays with additional data hopefully unknown to the USSR. In practice they put a huge effort into hydrographic research and possibly knew more than we did.

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#10 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:54 am

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:32 am
As for Hydrographic Notes, are we quite sure that UK and US shared their hydrographic survey data with the USSR?
Absolutely not!

In the early 1980s the HO put re-surveyed the UK EEZ to modern digital standards. They didn't have the resources to do it themselves, and Thatcher's mania for privaisation for private profit percolated down through MoD. 200 ship years of work was put out to tender. Two companies had an absolute bonanza. The HO supplied a two and a half ringer to supervise each ship. The work was done to HO standards but at a pace which was more normal for the commercial world than the sleepy old ways of Pusser.

All sonar records were classified Restricted and the database of MLOs (mine-like objects) was classified Secret. The purpose was to provide the then forthcoming V-boats with a comprehensive digital database of places in which a Russkie sub, or one of ours, could play hide and seek.

The bathy data did make into into the public domain though and if you look at the source data box on any HO chart you'll see an attribution to where "commercial survey" data has been used.

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