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Re: RAF Memories

#21 Post by ian16th » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:54 pm

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I picked up some new Tornados from Warton. The form to be signed was a BAe one, not a F700, and on enquiring I discovered that I personally was signing for the jet, not on behalf of the RAF. Since my worldly wealth was somewhat less than £20,000,000 (plus VAT, I suppose), I faked my own signature and decided I had better hitch-hike away from any survivable crash site and start a new life abroad.
As a Cpl/Tech I went to Vickers at Hurn and had to sign on behalf of the RAF for work done on a Valiant.

Vickers had installed all of the cables and tray's for a set of Rebecca or Eureka Mk 10, I forget which it was.
I took a set with me, plugged it in, and said, Yep it works! Where do I sign?
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#22 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:11 pm

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But if he spent it, his pay was stopped!


You meant if he spends more than the allowance. In 64 we had a clerk whose shoes had no heels. Told him to get them fixed. As we were on a Det on an RAAF station I have no idea what he did he got them changed.

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#23 Post by ian16th » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:02 pm

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But if he spent it, his pay was stopped!


You meant if he spends more than the allowance. In 64 we had a clerk whose shoes had no heels. Told him to get them fixed. As we were on a Det on an RAAF station I have no idea what he did he got them changed.
Dunno about the Oz Air Force but we had free boot & shoe repairs. There was a 'boot label' that got the job done.
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#24 Post by Sisemen » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:42 am

And laundry day! I seem to remember there was a strict entitlement which could not be breached. It all came back with those little rectangular cotton tags which were glued to each laundered item.

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#25 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:13 am

Discussion over the 14 days of kit requirement for callouts, when most people turned up in one flying suit with no kitbag

Minor Wheel: 'What's QR's say?"

Resident Academic: "The only QR says here underwear must be changed every 7 days"

...perfect comedic pause...

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#26 Post by Alisoncc » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:40 am

Do remember one form that enabled like items supposedly misidentified to be corrected. Thus "Hangar - Aircraft" could quite legitimately be exchanged for "Hanger - Clothes".

Used to have two forms of iD at Finningley - standard 1250, plus one clip-on that allowed access to the aircraft. IIRC the rear of the second was written in Alsation as many of the Rock Apes couldn't read and were dependant upon their dogs to determine if a person had legitimate access. ;)))

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#27 Post by Sisemen » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:02 am

This is the latter version of the V Bomber tag (RAF Scampton). Each base had its own colour. The original tags had a series of circles down each side of the photograph with each circle depicting where you were allowed or not allowed to go.

A = aircraft
O = operations
E = electronics block
X = special armament storage areas
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#28 Post by 4mastacker » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:26 am

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Do remember one form that enabled like items supposedly misidentified to be corrected. Thus "Hangar - Aircraft" could quite legitimately be exchanged for "Hanger - Clothes"........
F4137 Inventory Discrepancy Report. Used for change of inventory holder/formal inventory checks. It recorded surpluses and deficiencies - like items could be off-set against each other (Alison's hangars aircraft/hangers coat but that particular one was pushing it a bit). Any discrepancies that couldn't be off-set against a surplus would result in a bill (F664B) or would be entered in the F4C (Surplus Register). The F4C could be a useful bargaining tool if "favours" were owed.....allegedly. ;)))
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#29 Post by Krystal n Chips » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:41 am

The infamous blue clearing form....."bicycle store " entry.

Feeding every Dutch copper for about a 50km radius when we picked up the bits after a F-4 decided to transfer bits of one engine into the other on T/O at Bruggen....plonked down the other side of Roermond......reason for feeding Dutch police involved evening consumption of alcohol / socialising ...cough !

Emptying the contents of a Lightning wing over the hangar floor at Binbrook...bit like one of the geysers in Yellowstone actually.

Selling my greatcoat for £20 to a student at Bangor Uni....they were a "must have " fashion item at the time and my view was that it was surplus to my requirements so why not dispose of it.

AOC's at HM Gulag St Athan....everybody on parade, the whole sodding station !....me and two others "selected " for the Guard of Honour for having the nerve to represent the RAF at gliding..." gliding isn't a real mans sport ! " we were told....a personal letter from an A.V.M. suggesting we participate wasn't "well received "..but worked...strangely. Also memorable for that infamous poster showing SAC Bloggs and the perfect haircut....adapted by some Flt.Sgt carpenter to show himself and the words "Stay within these limits or stay well clear of ME " !.......hmmmm ???

Bruggen to Memmingen in a clapped out B.L J2..said heap could just about get around Bruggen let alone manage xxx kms to Bavaria...ran out of oil four times en route and caused a "somewhat lengthy " tailback on the infamous "Alligator " section of the autobahn near Stuttgart..local population "not impressed "

Being informed a 1771 claim was invalid on 71 MU due to the mileage being " falsified " ....it transpired a diligent admin Sgt had measured the distance using an AA road map and... a bit of string...to calculate the exact mileage from every Station....tosser !

Arriving at QRA at Bruggen one day and being told our passes were invalid by some thick plod...wearing a plastic sheriffs badge.

Being on the roof of the main hall at Cranwell at about 0300hrs one morning....nice view on a moonlit night by the way.

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#30 Post by ian16th » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:22 am

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Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:02 am
This is the latter version of the V Bomber tag (RAF Scampton).
The one we had at Marham C.1959, simply had columns of numbered circles, either side of your photo.

The numbers representing each area, were punched out if you weren't allowed there.

I remember 1,2 and 3 represented the 3 Sqdn dispersals. Can't remember what happened when 49 Sqdn turned up after 214 became an operational tanker Sqdn.

I also remember that Sqdn personnel had the other Sqdn number punched out, but Tech Wing guys were allowed to all dispersals. Of course we Sqdn guys needed to visit other dispersals to 'borrow' things. I don't remember anyone ever enforcing the rules. But of course I never tried to enter the nuke storage.
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#31 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:27 am

Sect 21b and 21c, the bane of the inventory owner's life. One was wooden furniture and the other steel. Desks and chairs were favourites as there were so many variations.

The outgoing holder would simply go Chairs - 6, desks - 2 and move to the next office. The incoming holder might accept this or try and identify Chairs, office from chairs, office, arms etc etc. Counting chairs in the Ops block was like herding cats. Over time wooden ones were swapped for steel, chairs, arm, fireside might slip in etc. Then the problem of flying clothing section, part of the Ops Block but with a separate engineering wing inventory.

Most important man on the station after the SWO was the Barracks WO. Once he was on side never a problem.

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#32 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:30 am

Ian, indeed, I do remember the 10 number tag which was replaced by the A E O X one. So simple compared with the modern trend where everyone wears a tag in offices etc.

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#33 Post by ian16th » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:30 am

Krystal n Chips wrote:
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Bruggen to Memmingen in a clapped out B.L J2..said heap could just about get around Bruggen let alone manage xxx kms to Bavaria...ran out of oil four times en route and caused a "somewhat lengthy " tailback on the infamous "Alligator " section of the autobahn near Stuttgart..local population "not impressed "
Ah the dear old Morris J2, I had the honour and privilege of driving the RVT version. But I never suffered the embarrassment of driving one off camp. I only had a Class 'C' licence in those days.

Heath Robinson must have been a consultant on the gear shift mechanism. It was designed to go wrong.

Often had a note on the dash, 'No Reverse', so you didn't park nose to a wall!
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#34 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:22 am

Indeed the J2 or later de luxe JU.

At Akrotiri Sqn had a run about that would do the mail run to Sqn, signals run to Ops, or ferry a crew from Ops to aircraft. Not a lot of mileage and our attached driver kept it fully fuelled each day.

One day we had to use it to go to Epi. We ran out of fuel on the hill out of Epi village. Usual recriminations that the Copilot driving hadn't done the DI. MT eventually pitch our with 5 gallon Jerry can.

After some what less than a gallon the fuel started to overflow. After much tinkering and swearing the fitter looked underneath and found the fuel tank had imploded and could hold less than a gallon.

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#35 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:28 am

Anyone remember the issue with the reserve MT at Luqa? Every vehicle issued to visiting detachments had a notice 'Brake fluid contaminated, brake with caution'. The notices were there year after year and assumed to be a spoof to discourage careless driving, until one day one of the vehicles would not stop and engine braking had to be used. Jam it into 1st and switch off.

How they got away with not changing the brake fluid I don't know.

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#36 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:32 am

I also remember on a Bolthole at Coningsby in 1969 when the 1mm tread rule for cars had just come in.

OC Eng had just popped over from Waddington in his Mini. We took great delight in pointing out that there was no trace of tread on any of the tyres; MTSS had assiduously rotated the wheels and achieved perfectly balanced wear 😁.

He was livid.

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#37 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:46 am

I assiduously avoided any jobs in involving inventories or MT, based on similar tales to the ones you chaps are entertaining us with now. Indeed, until my last year in the RAF I had no car licence. Nor did the requirement for officers to drive still exist, as it meant the RAF thus had no obligation to spend money to train one to do so. You should have heard the spluttering of MT Sections, various, when they realised each request for a car AND driver for my SDO duties was valid. However, it turned out that one's final year Education Allowance could be used for almost any purpose, so I agreed with 5 Sqn, my war role, that I would get qual'ed to drive so they could use me as a minibus driver on their APC in Cyprus. A few civvy lessons and the test were thus paid by the RAF. The test in Boston was amusing for 2 reasons. The first was that it's the only place in the UK where there is no hill start requirement, as there are no hills. The second was that the instructor assured me I would pass no problem if I could somehow let the examiner, an old lag, know I was RAF. The test commenced with that old chestnut question "What is the first thing you check for when approaching your vehicle?" "I immediately responded "Bombs!", and duly passed. My only RAF driving experience was therefore driving minibuses between Animal House and Golf Dispersal, with one hand always holding an ice cream or chilled beverage, and the other on the horn ;))) And I got another month's 'holiday' in Cyprus.

My UAS once annoyed MT at Waddo by putting one of their minis into the Mess foyer. They damaged the door getting it out again (only about a half inch clearance each side), and tried to pass the bill on to us. We pointed out that we had got it in without damage, and that they could have asked us to get it out and we would have. Harry Staish at Waddo agreed and MT copped the bill. We suspected that H. Staish had pulled the same trick himself in the past. It was still a Vulcan base at the time.

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#38 Post by ian16th » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:14 am

Kings Lynn also has no hills, but they do have a railway bridge!

So they used that.
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#39 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:21 am

I also recall that computer games were not allowed to be installed on service computers, and that the snowdrops used to regularly check for this. Our sqn computer had a folder entitled "Akro ops", which passed the snowdrop cursory "looks legit" test, but which had anyone in air defence immediately thinking "Ah, Golf Dispersal", and the game was duly found therein.

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#40 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:25 pm

Mrs PN took her first test in Truro and doing a hill start with duff handbrake did for her.

Her next test was in the Highlands with a notable lack of hills in the test area. :)

As for hills near Coningsby, for assessing a second hand car, a drive round Hawthorn Hill, Scrub Hill and Bunkers Hill and then a hill start on the Witham Bank was good enough. :)

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