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#21 Post by Woody » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:47 am

I came across the Sinsheim museum by accident, as I was actually going to a Liverpool v Hoffenheim match, the ground and the museum share a car park, all those aircraft on giant supports make for an interesting day out :-bd
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#22 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:00 am

Woody, not to mention all those Nazi staff cars. Also a car my grandfather used to race. Not sure if it's the same car., certainly the same model.

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#23 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:16 pm

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Woody, not to mention all those Nazi staff cars. Also a car my grandfather used to race. Not sure if it's the same car., certainly the same model.
Your grandfather was a Nazi? =))

Surely not! :-h :)

Couldn't have been poor Dick Seaman, so who was he I wonder? ;)))

Not the Blitzen Benz?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydston_Hornsted

Or Zborowski in the Maybach?

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#24 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:41 pm

With a hat tip to Bob Burman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Burman
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#25 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:58 pm

Yes, the Blitzen. He was first MD of Benz in UK. There is a gap in my knowledge between about 1925 and 1932. In 1932 he was just running a garage in Staines.

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#26 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:01 pm

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Yes, the Blitzen. He was first MD of Benz in UK. There is a gap in my knowledge between about 1925 and 1932. In 1932 he was just running a garage in Staines.
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#27 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:18 am

TGG, thank you for that. I see very little of Benz. I have much more, but looking at the dates I suspect he lost his job with Benz when they merged.
I have a letter to my GF from the secretary to Prince Michael of Russia regarding a Benz around 1924.
I sent copies of much of this the MB in Germany. They had very little as you might imagine and my stuff, about 50 pages, was well received. A couple of letters were from Benz in Germany and written in immaculate English.
I also have pictures of him in some of those huge cars in Germany.
His name was John Dunne.

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#28 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:52 am

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TGG, thank you for that. I see very little of Benz. I have much more, but looking at the dates I suspect he lost his job with Benz when they merged.
I have a letter to my GF from the secretary to Prince Michael of Russia regarding a Benz around 1924.
I sent copies of much of this the MB in Germany. They had very little as you might imagine and my stuff, about 50 pages, was well received. A couple of letters were from Benz in Germany and written in immaculate English.
I also have pictures of him in some of those huge cars in Germany.
His name was John Dunne.
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Hornsted called it a day after June 1914, having broken more short records, and set the LSR to a two way 124.01mph. After the war two of these mighty Blitzen-type Benz appeared at the Track. One was entered by J L Dunne, who ran the British Benz Co, from Grafton Street, with the flamboyant Horace V Barlow, a publicity seeker who upset or amused other drivers depending on their temperament. The other Benz, owned by Zborowski’s friend Major R F Cooper, was billed as a new hush-hush post-war racer but was, in fact, Homsted’s old car. Cooper’s was the 1909 Hemery Benz.
Not to be confused with Captain John Duff who also raced the monster.
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#29 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:11 am

Sorry I have 4 wheel drifted the thread. Back to Soviet aircraft.
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#30 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:29 am

The Antonov An-22.

What always fascinates me about many of the Soviet era aircraft was the number of crew. It was almost as if the Soviet system required a work creation scheme in every cockpit (a man for every system onboard). The office in this aircraft was a very busy place indeed. Here flown by the Ukrainians, where the grizzled looking Captain is as much a conductor of the flurry of human arms poking buttons, pushing levers and twiddling knobs, surrounded by the cast of worried looking technicians, as he is a pilot! CRM, Soviet aircraft style while the Navigator plots his course on a desk in the Olympian splendour of his own private nook, like some scribe of old, bringing the wisdom of the ancients to life in Cyrillic script. All to the hypnotic hum of the contrarotating props! All absolutely wonderful!

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#31 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:29 am

TGG, and the bomb aimer's window. At least they don't fit a rear gunner as standard.

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#32 Post by bob2s » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:16 am

Here is a strange one for you.


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#33 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:53 am

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Here is a strange one for you.
An Ekranoplan crossed with a VTOL aircraft come traditional jet aircraft. Fascinating stuff. :-bd

That chap produces very interesting material.



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#34 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:18 am

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Tupolev TU-128 "Fiddler"

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I have been reading about this rather enigmatic Soviet interceptor, which defined the concept of Quick Reaction Alerts, Russian style, and automated ground-controlled intercepts (GCI) using the Lazur’ data-link system and co-operation with the Tu-126 ‘Moss’ airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft.
its singular role being the air defence of the Arctic approaches to the Soviet Union. For this reason it was never offered for export, although at the time of the Falklands Conflict in 1982 it was rumoured that Argentina had expressed interest in acquiring a squadron of Tu-128s! Leaving aside the sheer improbability of being able to do this in the geopolitical climate of the 1980s, the ‘Fiddler’ was almost tailor-made for the air defence of Argentina’s elongated landmass and extensive Atlantic seaboard. Unique in being the largest ‘fighter’ ever to enter operational service, the Tu-128 was also unequalled in being the only jet-powered fighter to come out of a design bureau that had specialised in creating heavy bombers. Emerging like a phoenix from the ashes of the ill-fated Tu-98 ‘Backfin’ tactical bomber project, the Tu-128 appeared at precisely the right time to serve the air defence needs of the Soviet Union at a crucial period in its history. Seemingly having ‘neither a past nor a future’, the aircraft disappeared virtually without trace at the end of its service and although now still fairly well remembered by knowledgeable enthusiasts and aviation historians in Russia, it is little known elsewhere. - Sergey Burdin Minsk, Republic of Belarus
Dawes, Alan. Tupolev Tu-128 "Fiddler" (p. 11). Fonthill Media.

I highly recommend this book which gives an uniquely Russian insight into the role of the aircraft in the context of the Cold War from a Russian perspective.

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#36 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:28 am

Ah, the Fiddler. don't forget the Fishpot. Then there was their best 60s fighter the Firebar. We got some urgent upgrades to counter the Firebar.

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#37 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:40 am

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Ah, the Fiddler. don't forget the Fishpot. Then there was their best 60s fighter the Firebar. We got some urgent upgrades to counter the Firebar.
Tell us more about the Yakovlev Yak-28 PN?
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#38 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:29 pm

Not much more to tell as the Wiki entry is not bad. When they did the salvage the Sovs tried to do it but it was the British sector. They were kept on the bank and screens erected.
We had 'difficulty' recovering the radar and it took a few days. After it had been examined at Boscombe it was returned from whence it came, was recovered, and handed over to the Russians.

Quite soon after we got a new X band jammer, tail warning radar, IR decoys and rapid blooming window.

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#39 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:20 pm

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#40 Post by tango15 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:44 pm

I've done a lot of hours in IL-18s and strangely, I rather like them. Yes, they're a bit noisy and vibrate, but there's something comforting about that. The one our agent used to use carried a magnetometer underneath, and was thus slower, but it did the job. It had a nice crew compartment at the back and a half decent galley, which was a plus!

There is an excellent - largely open air - museum at Monino, outside Moscow, which, it seems, has one of every Soviet aircraft ever built. For many years they languished throughout the harsh Russian winters, but during the last couple of years a team of restorers have been working on them, with excellent results. There is a page on FB for anyone who is interested and most of the comments are in English:

https://www.facebook.com/aviarestorermonino

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