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Re: Matters of taste, decorum and etiquette...

#21 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:25 am

Sisemen wrote:
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A nasty habit has crept in to Australia where, even at the most prestigious functions, those who really ought to know better interpret “black tie” by dressing for a funeral.
It shall be a self tied bow tie then,

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#22 Post by Hydromet » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:30 am

In PNG before independence, "Territory formal" meant long sleeved white shirt, dark tie, grey or dark lap lap or long trousers, with sandals if wearing a lap lap, and black shoes & socks if wearing trousers.

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#23 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:39 am

Hydromet wrote:
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In PNG before independence, "Territory formal" meant long sleeved white shirt, dark tie, grey or dark lap lap or long trousers, with sandals if wearing a lap lap, and black shoes & socks if wearing trousers.
When it is described and prescribed in context then t'is simple in context but when encountered in a social/military/political scenario, it all becomes a nightmare for a bloke with a ragged arse come dundies background! Ergo me!
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#24 Post by Slasher » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:52 am

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I am getting married next year (after 20 years of sin). You are definitely invited! :-bd
Good to see mate that you and your lady didn’t rush headlong into marriage and made sure you can put up with each other’s sh!t. 👍🏻

Me and Ap shacked up for just over 2 years when she decided my crap was tolerable. She of course had none. Still doesn’t neither, except now she complains when she’s busy cooking or cleaning or typing on her puter and I physically pick her up and cart her off over my shoulder to the cot upstairs. She never complained about that before during our “living in sin” days. In fact it was the exact opposite. Just remember certain things change when the “I do”s are said and a ring is suddenly bunged on a woman’s finger.

May I suggest either Sisemen or Ex-Ascot be your best man, and have him attend in full dress military uniform regalia (i.e. with sword, medals, scrambled egg etc). This will counterbalance the cultural scumbaggery of my expected attire at the ceremony.

May I ask Gob will the wedding be in a church or at the local bait shop? If the latter I’ll wear a nice tie over my ‘I ❤️ big titties’ T-shirt (exactly like my avatar) which might sorta panache up and flowery twat the place a bit. :D

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#25 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:18 am

Slasher wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:52 am
TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:01 pm
I am getting married next year (after 20 years of sin). You are definitely invited! :-bd
Good to see mate that you and your lady didn’t rush headlong into marriage and made sure you can put up with each other’s sh!t. 👍🏻

Me and Ap shacked up for just over 2 years when she decided my crap was tolerable. She of course had none. Still doesn’t neither, except now she complains when she’s busy cooking or cleaning or typing on her puter and I physically pick her up and cart her off over my shoulder to the cot upstairs. She never complained about that before during our “living in sin” days. In fact it was the exact opposite. Just remember certain things change when the “I do”s are said and a ring is suddenly bunged on a woman’s finger.

May I suggest either Sisemen or Ex-Ascot be your best man, and have him attend in full dress military uniform regalia (i.e. with sword, medals, scrambled egg etc). This will counterbalance the cultural scumbaggery of my expected attire at the ceremony.

May I ask Gob will the wedding be in a church or at the local bait shop? If the latter I’ll wear a nice tie over my ‘I ❤️ big titties’ T-shirt which might sorta panache up and flowery twat the place a bit. :D
I am a bait shop man dude, but she is a good girl and is worth more than my ***** (tits aside). I was brought up as a Catholic (I am also partially Jewish but marriage in that context is ridiculous).

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#26 Post by Ex-Ascot » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:16 am

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Isn't there a story of the RAF Regiment doing the guard at Buck house and the Rock officer i/c was invited to dinner?
Yes Ian I believe it is true. He was invited to dine with HMQ and HRH PP. He was in full mess kit but with soft collar shirt not winged. HRH PP questioned his dress and it is reported that he said something along the lines of winged collars are only worn when someone important is present. =)) Could only be a Rock.

Capt slight problem with dress for a wedding abroad and uniform. Only allowed in the UK. Also my uniform is here and the sword is in Greece for security reasons. My sword belt was here, stolen and recovered by the police and taken to Greece. It would have been a bit obvious if some dude was walking around Maun with a RAF Officer's gold braid sword belt on his jeans.
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#27 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:28 am

My uncles WW.1 ceremonial naval dress sword hung in the hall of my Dorset house before I left the UK, visible to anyone knocking at the door, here it ain't so visible but still handy should I need a bit of "self defence". There was a reported Court case here some time ago of a householder hauled up for attacking an intruder with a Ceremonial Sword, can't remember the outcome, probably in favour of the "disadvantaged", wet bus tickets being often used to give the obligatory slap on the wrist. Getting it out of the scabbard takes valuable time, so I would probably use it encased. Hope I never have to, and haven't so far, but "home invasions" are not unknown, and living near Waitangi, the traditional seat of unrest, one canna be too careful.

Incidentally - HRH Prince C. and Camilla visited Waitangi yesterday, and it was suggested that if the Monarchy still want to be respected in NZ, then maybe he would like to "give" one of his sons as next Governor General. I may be a near neighbour of Harry and wotsername one day, if I live long enough ?

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#28 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:24 am

My Grandfather's dress sword was in shite condition so I got rid of it. He had two dual purpose dress swords of middle eastern origin, probably acquired in Mesopotamia. Still sharp and with a good heft. I still have the last, probably German army infantry, light weight, plain steel scabard, blade as new, you can bend it through 90 degrees, made in Solingen.

I might get away with clubbing an intruder with the scabard or slicing their hands over if they grasp the sharp end.

I think the Crocodile Dundee defence of 'you call that a knife, THIS is a knife ' might fail.

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#29 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:34 am

I received my first and only black tie as part of the uniform provided by the Air Force. On the inauguration day, I helped many colleagues to tie correctly the black tie.

ExSp33b1rd I love your comment about Harry's wife. I am not sure I can use the term elsewhere but it is fun.

TheGreenGoblin are you sure you want to do it now? I always plan an escape drill when a friend gets married. The last one was by the sea and the bribe kindly offered the local knowledge about reefs on the way to and from the church which was on a peninsula.

PN how did you end up with a German army sword?

OK the current Mrs RiS's grandfather had a gun from his time he served with the Allied forces in North Africa. He discussed how to dispose of it but he didn't bother to do so. Mrs RiS and myself look forward how her uncle is going to do it without getting arrested.

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#30 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:50 am

RiS, probably donated by Turk who no longer needed it. It was a red rust scanners when I found it in his decrepit wooden garage, his house was on stilts in the Thames flood plain in Staines. I was 8. No doubt if I had searched further I would have found a Webley too.

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#31 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:23 am

Nice story PN. By the way shall we move this thread to the Agony Aunt and keep it as reference for etiquette questions?

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#32 Post by Magnus » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:35 am

I'd wear my kilt, with a Bonnie Prince Charlie jacket (short tails) and a tied bow tie. I have an Argyll jacket for less formal outings.

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#33 Post by Fliegenmong » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:39 am

This is actually a rather more complex question than initially thought. I can't find it now but once found a very comprehensive guide that went right down to some very classic rules of etiquette, matching silk stripes down the trousers matching the lapels of the jacket etc. etc. There is actually a fair bit to it, that said, doubtful anyone there knows all the finite details of it.so take that into account. At the very lest though, get a proper bow tie & tie it yourself!

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#34 Post by Sisemen » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Great fun in baiting new officers in the mess to challenge you as to whether you were wearing a self-tied tie or not. Undo tie, and then re-tie it without the use of mirrors or any other accoutrement and then claim your free Scotch.

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#35 Post by OFSO » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:45 pm

For three days each year I wear a bare and very sharp sword as part of my 13th century dress during the Festival de Trobadors. Biggest problem is where to carry it in the car. Walking through crowds I am very conscious of safety aspect. Small children rush up to feel it to see if it is 'real'. But as far as police taking notice ? Laughable suggestion.

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#36 Post by Alisoncc » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:17 am

Remember a post on TOP many years back that showed a reference to the Lincoln Echo ? newspaper. There was a photo of a Freedom of the City parade from some RAF station with swords drawn, fixed bayonets, etc., etc. juxtaposed with an article referring to some local yob having been apprehended by the police for carrying a knife on the same street at a different time.

So what is the legal status of one versus the other? Does "Freedom of the City" overrule laws pertaining to individuals carrying sharp objects? And if the guy leading the parade had wandered off to his car in the car park afterwards with sword still clearly visible? Could be fun if the Staish had to come down to get him out of the chokey.
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#37 Post by Sisemen » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:23 am

Clearly one event was officially sanctioned and comprised a properly trained armed force and the other was a yob carrying a disguised weapon with nefarious intent.

The Parade Commander’s job, with drawn sword, was to run it through any miscreant that had the temerity to have a pop at whoever you were escorting.

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#38 Post by Alisoncc » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:04 am

Sise, I was querying the legal status. Who, if anyone, has the authority to state that the law doesn't apply in this situation. That is supposing the Law states "thou shalt not carry cutting implements in public places". Can a Judge, for instance, give such a dispensation.
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#39 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:27 am

OFSO wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:45 pm
For three days each year I wear a bare and very sharp sword as part of my 13th century dress during the Festival de Trobadors. Biggest problem is where to carry it in the car. Walking through crowds I am very conscious of safety aspect. Small children rush up to feel it to see if it is 'real'. But as far as police taking notice ? Laughable suggestion.
OFSO what exactly are talking about here? ^#(^

My thoughts exactly about swords. I walked to our wedding through the village wearing a sword. Shirley that was illegal.

Edit, no. You can carry a knife/sword if you have a good reason. A chef can carry a knife to work but a yob can't to school. An actor can carry a sword to work for use on the stage but a member of the audience can't. Same applies to a sword to a wedding. If it goes to court it is up to the jury to decide the reason that you were carrying it. However it does seem that my trusty Leatherman would be illegal in the UK.
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#40 Post by John Hill » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:55 am

It may come as no surprise when I tell you that uniforms are not really my thing but I do recall hanging my RNZAF uniform in a closet then going back to the olde homestead 20 years later and noticing it was no longer there. Seems one younger brother had found the blues very suitable doing tractor work in winter and another brother delighted in wearing the spit polished boots to the pub and he could give no clear account of what happened to them.
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