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#1821 Post by ribrash » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:10 pm

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#1822 Post by ian16th » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:21 pm

Sorry can't agree about kingklip.

I lust after North Sea Cod.

SM likes kingklip, so I eat it when she cooks it.
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#1823 Post by Fliegenmong » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:58 am

Never heard of Kingklip...no idea if it is what we are sold here as 'Smoked Cod', which flakes easily when cooked and is a fairly vivid orange colur, and rather salty...

"South African Smiked Cod" has been available in Australian Supermarkets for at least 40 years....but with vitually everything Seafood, so many different names for the same thing, and then so many of the same name for different things...

So yeah it could be 'Kingklip', but texture is rather different to any eel I've had before, which is admittedly only in Japanese restaurants, and was smoked to be almost indistguishable from 'Kippers' (Meaning here - Scottish Smoked Herrings)
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#1824 Post by ian16th » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:53 am

Fliegs,
I didn't appreciate that you get SMOKED cod, it could come from the northern hemisphere.

I am looking for fresh/frozen raw cod.
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#1825 Post by Fliegenmong » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:43 am

Yes Ian...It is labelled as "SMOKED COD", Product of South Africa, and has been available in OZ supermarkets for at least 40 years....K always had in my head the imae of a ...fish..(cod)...didging huge Great Whitre Sharks off the coast of SA., but maybe they are just scum sucking eels called Kingklip??
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#1826 Post by ian16th » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:19 pm

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Yes Ian...It is labelled as "SMOKED COD", Product of South Africa, and has been available in OZ supermarkets for at least 40 years....K always had in my head the imae of a ...fish..(cod)...didging huge Great Whitre Sharks off the coast of SA., but maybe they are just scum sucking eels called Kingklip??
Well according to Wiki, and to the best of my knowledge, Cod is Northern Hemisphere only!

I dunno what you are eating.
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#1827 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:03 pm

ian16th wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:19 pm
Fliegenmong wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:43 am
Yes Ian...It is labelled as "SMOKED COD", Product of South Africa, and has been available in OZ supermarkets for at least 40 years....K always had in my head the imae of a ...fish..(cod)...didging huge Great Whitre Sharks off the coast of SA., but maybe they are just scum sucking eels called Kingklip??
Well according to Wiki, and to the best of my knowledge, Cod is Northern Hemisphere only!

I dunno what you are eating.
Farmed sea water talapia perhaps :-\
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#1828 Post by larsssnowpharter » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Once are cod in Oz. When I enquired, I was told it was Murray Cod and is a freshwater fish.

I have found similar confusion in other countries. For example, in the wet market near me in the Philippines I asked the name of a fish I couldn't identify and was told 'salmon'. It wasn't. On another occasion I saw 3 or 4 Dover sole as part of a catch. Again I asked. 'Flatfish', I was told. Bought them, cooked them and they tasted like Dover sole. Strange.

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#1829 Post by Alisoncc » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:56 am

The smoked fish that we used to get in the UK from Serf Effrica when I was a kid whilst known as cod was actually haddock. Still applies. Supermarkets in Oz sell it as cod but actually smoked haddock. Quite partial to it, and will eat at least once month. Normally poached in milk with a knob of butter in the frying pan, same as me mum used to do. Need to drain off all the milk before serving otherwise your chips wil go soggy.
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#1830 Post by Fliegenmong » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:19 am

Thanks Alison! :) ...why is it orange like that?...I've seen smoked Haddock on You Tube cooking videos and it looks like regular fish
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#1831 Post by Fliegenmong » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:22 am

Here...

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/prod ... lsrc=aw.ds

Google says Haddock only in Northern Hemisphere...this product still calls origin Sth Africa,,,??
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#1832 Post by ian16th » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:37 am

What is sold in Seth Efrica as smoked/dyed Haddock is actually Hake!

It seems it changes species when smoked/dyed.

We eat it poached with a poached egg on top.
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#1833 Post by ian16th » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:42 am

Some pics of the local fish.

and some more:

Breakfast Haddock

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A Foodie South Africanism

The fish specie Haddock (Melanogrammus aegle nus) is caught in the North Atlantic Ocean and found in European and American homes. “Haddock” in South Africa, however, is a traditional name for naturally dyed, brined and smoked Cape Hake! The story dates back to the 1960’s, when true cold smoked Haddock was imported. As import prices rose, local producers found that Hake produced a similar product when smoked, and the name was born. This “Haddock” is an excellent fish for all occasions, and is often used in the traditional “poached in milk” breakfast serving, omelettes, pies, kedgeree and so much more!
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#1834 Post by Wodrick » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:33 am

Smoked Haddock is traditionally dyed with Turmeric (Circuma).
Nowadays it is available undyed too.
I have a neighbour who comes almost bi-weekly and brings us some.
He gets it in T Esco, C ostco and the Sons of Morris. In my opinion The Sons is the best.
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#1835 Post by ian16th » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:06 am

Wodrick wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:33 am
Smoked Haddock is traditionally dyed with Turmeric (Circuma).
Nowadays it is available undyed too.
I have a neighbour who comes almost bi-weekly and brings us some.
He gets it in T Esco, C ostco and the Sons of Morris. In my opinion The Sons is the best.
Used to buy it, and Kippers, straight from the smoke-house in Whitby!

Smashing they were!
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#1836 Post by ian16th » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:22 am

Amazingly they seem to be not only still in business, but booming, because of Celebrity Chef's featuring them.

Whitby Kippers

But they seem to specialise in their Kippers these days, no mention of Smoked Haddock.
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#1837 Post by larsssnowpharter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:31 pm

Still on the subject of fish and, indirectly, fish preservation. In Italy, especially in the Veneto region, there is a traditional delicacy called 'baccala'. This is dried, salted cod. No cod in the Mediterranean so was imported from Northern climes hence dried and salted.

Must be soaked in fresh water for 24 hrs before use.

For those interested in some great fish recipes try Googling 'baccala recipe' and have fun. Just substitute fresh cod loin.

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#1838 Post by Wodrick » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:25 pm

In Italy, especially in the Veneto region, there is a traditional delicacy called 'baccala'. This is dried, salted cod.
Same stuff in Spain "Baccalo"
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#1839 Post by larsssnowpharter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:52 pm

And, I believe, in Puerto Rico.

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#1840 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:56 pm

Wodrick wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:25 pm
In Italy, especially in the Veneto region, there is a traditional delicacy called 'baccala'. This is dried, salted cod.
Same stuff in Spain "Baccalo"
Same in Greece; bakaliaros served with skordalia; https://www.kopiaste.org/2008/03/bakali ... skordalia/ yummy :)
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