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#741 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:11 pm

TGG, money probably. Host setup costs against gate fees and F1 fees. Without gate fees the F1 fees might not cover costs.

With the Olympics the infrastructure would have incurred costs pre-Covid so could be discounted. The sum then becomes remaining infrastructure costs against competing country charges and broadcasting rights. That sum would be much nearer parity compared with F1.

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#742 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:19 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
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TGG, money probably. Host setup costs against gate fees and F1 fees. Without gate fees the F1 fees might not cover costs.

With the Olympics the infrastructure would have incurred costs pre-Covid so could be discounted. The sum then becomes remaining infrastructure costs against competing country charges and broadcasting rights. That sum would be much nearer parity compared with F1.
As you say PN, money certainly would have been part of the equation.
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#743 Post by tango15 » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:48 pm

No doubt, but they managed to run Silverstone last year behind closed doors.

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#744 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:53 pm

Infrastructure costs would be minimal especially with two races then broadcast fees and team money. Maybe no big bucks but any profit is profit.

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#745 Post by Wodrick » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:32 pm

Wow ! Go George
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#746 Post by OFSO » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:07 pm

Absolutely. No idea what the meteo is for tomorrow. (Bit chilly up here in Catalunia!)

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#747 Post by Wodrick » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:15 pm

Same as today for Spa.


Tomorrow Sun 08/29 High 14 °C
92% Precip. / 4.44 mm
Cloudy with periods of light rain. High 14C. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 km/h. Chance of rain 90%.

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#748 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:08 pm

Good to see Jacky Ickx in the Ferrari pits. One of the greats!

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#749 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:28 am

Why did George Russell achieve second place in a car that is usually uncompetitive?
Would he have been able to do that in the dry?
What chance has he for the race?

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#750 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:11 am

G-CPTN wrote:
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Why did George Russell achieve second place in a car that is usually uncompetitive?
Would he have been able to do that in the dry?
What chance has he for the race?
Perhaps he is a rain master like Jacky Ickx was (mentioned by larsssnowpharter). Car control and smooth driving becomes a far bigger factor in the rain than the total speed of the car on many tracks in the rain. It must take a lot of sheer courage not to lift off on the approach to Eau Rouge in the rain I imagine.

I saw Jackie Ickx driving a BMW in a thunderstorm during practice for the 9 Hour race at Kyalami back in the mid 70's. The rain didn't seem to deter him and he was soon catching all sorts of far faster company like John Wyer's Gulf Mirages, in the turns on the lower part of the track as the rain fell, only to lose out on the main straight. In the race, he was imperious in his class, embarrassing drivers in far faster cars, even in the dry...


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#751 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:30 am

This is as fine a piece of F1 journalism as I have ever read and goes a long way to explain George Russell's masterful lap:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ng-q3-lap/

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#752 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:47 am

larsssnowpharter wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:30 am
This is as fine a piece of F1 journalism as I have ever read and goes a long way to explain George Russell's masterful lap:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ng-q3-lap/
Mark Hughes writes knowledgeably and with great skill. That is a wonderful example of the motor racing journalist's art. He is up there with the late great Dennis Jenkinson, but with a different style, methinks.

Thanks for posting.

I profer this for the Ickx fans here...

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arch ... jacky-ickx
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#753 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:37 pm

At what stage do they decide that the conditions are unsuited for racing?

I don't believe that they race in the rain in the USA.

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#754 Post by Boac » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:05 pm

Weather hold after formation lap. It amuses me that Verstappen says the conditions are not that bad during the formation lap in the pouring rain. That's Verstappen with just the safety car in front, while further down the pack no-one can see anything!

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#755 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:30 pm

Jean Pierre Beltoise had his one and only F1 win, a memorable one, in the BRM in the rain at Monaco...

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Jean-Pierre Beltoise's mist opportunity
Monaco was the scene of BRM's most famous triumphs: their fifth Monte Carlo win was also the last for a team in decline. David Malsher charts Bourne's last hurrah
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#756 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:41 pm

Racing in the rain in the USA

Not sure about Indy Car, but NASCAR uses rain tires and a windshield wiper only on road courses.

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#757 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:37 pm

Looks like the Belgian GP has been canned.
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#758 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:51 pm

Well, that was a fiasco.

Who won driver of the day?

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#759 Post by Woody » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:54 pm

Fora change not a Blazing Saddles clip, but AC/DC :D

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Re: Formula One

#760 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm

Will there be highlights?

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