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#421 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:26 am

Not the most uplifting read, but very interesting and worth the time; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html

It would be great if some good came out of all of Lord Ashcrofts efforts, but sadly I suspect nothing will change in the short term regarding this vile trade.
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#422 Post by Capetonian » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:38 pm

More on Lord Ashcroft and his efforts to stop this horrendous obscenity. There is too much big money and vested interest for anything to be done about until people develop a conscience about cruelty to animals. That is not going to happen any time soon.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... trade.html
Exposing the most barbaric industry on earth: The heart-stopping story of how LORD ASHCROFT hired a crack team of soldiers using drones to nail the criminals behind South Africa's lucrative captive lion trade

Lord Ashcroft last year revealed details of an undercover mission, Operation Simba, which he funded in South Africa in 2018 and 2019
It aimed to shed light on the way the 'appalling' captive-bred lion industry is run
He compiled a team, including an undercover agent and people with military expertise, to try to infiltrate the lucrative trade

I cannot abide those who are cruel to animals, but the sad fact is that in our digital age, my strong aversion is aroused all too often. I have lost count of the number of people who post on social media platforms such as Twitter so-called ‘kill shots’ of themselves grinning at the camera (or, even worse, kissing their partner) alongside a beautiful animal they have recently slaughtered.

Revelling publicly in the death of a creature in this way is completely alien to me.

People may be brutal through ignorance or by taking shortcuts to save money, but South Africa’s captive-bred lion industry is conscious, intentional cruelty, sometimes carried out with or for pleasure. I cannot think about this without feeling a burning sense of shame. The question is: for how much longer will South Africa allow this industry to prosper?

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#423 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:36 am

It's good to see that someone in ZA is doing something positive with Lord Ashcroft's evidence; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nting.html
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#424 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:38 am

This report made me fume with disgust; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... golia.html X(
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#425 Post by Woody » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:27 pm

Just for information for anyone browsing, but not posting :D

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#426 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:35 pm

Who would have thunk that something as small as a bacteria could kill an effalump?

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#427 Post by Hydromet » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07 pm

I'm guessing it would have caused them liver damage, as observed in humans & pets.

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#428 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:31 am

According to an article I've just read these bacteria produce neuro-toxins which is what killed the ellies; strangely nothing else has been poisoned by this particular canobacteria or from eating the carcasses. At least they seem to have solved the mystery.
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#429 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:24 pm

The ever prescient Ben Travato skewers another scum sucking South African rhino horn dealer!

https://bentrovato.co.za/horny-dial-1-800-rhino/

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#430 Post by Woody » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:29 pm

Anyone with too much time and money on their hands?

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#431 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:39 am

Well, this is depressing but unfortunately not surprising; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ghter.html :(
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#432 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:02 am

The BDF have just shot dead 4 poachers from Namibia all from the same family. The Namibian Government are complaining about us shooting their nationals. B-)
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#433 Post by Pinky the pilot » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:00 am

The Namibian Government are complaining about us shooting their nationals.
Ex-Ascot; No doubt officially, read publically, but I wonder if privately at the high levels of Government.

Maybe just quietly a 'Well done; get more of the bastards' may have been said. :-?
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#434 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:29 am

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Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:02 am
The BDF have just shot dead 4 poachers from Namibia all from the same family. The Namibian Government are complaining about us shooting their nationals. B-)
Or being Africa it might be a case of we will shoot foreign poachers because they don't pay a kickback to the government here in Botswana, whereas we have the poaching on our side of the border by our nationals sewn up (allegedly)!
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#435 Post by ian16th » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:23 pm

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#436 Post by Woody » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:13 pm

Chalk up another one for the elephants :-bd

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#437 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:53 pm

Too bad that the suspects can't be turned back over to the ellies to extract proper justice. :ymdevil:

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#438 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:10 am

Zimbabwe to sell hunting rights for endangered elephants

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/africa/z ... index.html

Zimbabwe to sell hunting rights for endangered elephants
Harare, Zimbabwe (CNN)Zimbabwe will "soon" start selling rights to shoot as many as 500 elephants this year, the country announced this week.

Tinashe Farawo, a spokesman for the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, told CNN Thursday that declining tourism revenue owing to the coronavirus pandemic was among the main reasons for the move.

"We eat what we kill," Farawo said. "We have a budget of about $25 million for our operations which is raised -- partly -- through sports hunting, but you know tourism is as good as dead at the moment due to the coronavirus pandemic."
The announcement comes just weeks after the African forest elephant was declared critically endangered and the African savanna elephant was declared endangered.
Simiso Mlevu, a spokeswoman for the Center for Natural Resource Governance, a Zimbabwe environmental and human rights advocacy group, said the decision to allow elephant hunting was "appalling."
"We strongly condemn trophy hunting -- a practice that agitates wild animals and escalates human-wild life conflicts," Mlevu said.
"It is almost certain that surviving families of wildlife families that witness the senseless gunning down of their family members mete out vengeance on the hapless local villagers," Mlevu said.
"Contrary to government arguments that trophy hunting is meant to assist with conservation, the practice is motivated by greed and often the money is not even accounted for. There is a need for more innovative and eco-friendly measures to improve revenue generation from photo safaris and tourism in general," added Mlevu.
Zimbabwe is not alone in the region in allowing elephant hunting for a fee, in December, Namibia put 170 "high value" wild elephants up for sale due to drought and an increase in elephant numbers.

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#439 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:22 am

Video shows NRA chief struggling to kill elephant in botched hunt
The video was taken during a 2013 hunting trip to Botswana but was shared Tuesday.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vi ... t-n1265657

By Minyvonne Burke
The National Rifle Association confirmed that a video going around shows its CEO, Wayne LaPierre, killing an elephant during a botched hunt.

The video was taken during a 2013 hunting trip to Botswana but was shared Tuesday by The New Yorker and the nonprofit journalism outlet The Trace.

In the nearly 10-minute video, LaPierre fires at the elephant, causing it to drop to the ground. Because the elephant is still alive, LaPierre and the group move closer to it.

A guide points to the spot where LaPierre needs to fire to kill the elephant, but LaPierre misses. He tries two more times from point-blank range but misses again.

Eventually, a guide fires a shot and kills the animal.

Despite LaPierre's failed attempts, the group congratulates him on the hunt.

"You dropped him like no tomorrow," a guide says.

"Your first elephant hunt was one heck of an elephant hunt," another says.

The video also shows LaPierre's wife, Susan, killing an elephant on a first shot during the hunt.

The NRA, a gun rights advocacy group, confirmed that it was LaPierre in the video and said the video was for a television show the group was sponsoring at the time.

"The hunt was fully permitted and conducted in accordance with all rules and regulations. The video offers an incomplete portrayal of the experience — and fails to express the many ways this activity benefits the local community and habitat," said Andrew Arulanandam, the group's managing director of public affairs.

"Such hunts are celebrated in Botswana, where they feed villages, contribute to the economy and culture, and are part of the fabric of the region," he said.

The Center for Biological Diversity challenged that narrative.

"Savannah elephants were just declared endangered by international experts, and these intelligent beings certainly shouldn’t be used as paper targets by an inept marksman,” said Tanya Sanerib, the center's international legal director.

“It’s sickening to see LaPierre’s brutal, clumsy slaughter of this beautiful creature. No animal should suffer like this," Sanerib said. "We’re in the midst of a poaching epidemic, and rich trophy hunters like the NRA chief are blasting away at elephants while the international community calls for stiffer penalties for poachers — what message does that send? We need to halt all elephant killings or they’ll vanish forever.”

The video also drew backlash on social media.



John Feinblatt, president of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, tweeted: "This heartbreaking video captures the two hallmarks of Wayne LaPierre’s leadership: needless death and costly incompetence. You’d be hard pressed to find a more accurate illustration of the casual cruelty that is a trademark of the NRA's top ranks."

The video comes as the NRA said it would seek bankruptcy protection and was leaving New York for Texas because New York has a "toxic political environment."

The planned move comes five months after New York state Attorney General Letitia James filed a civil suit that seeks to dissolve the association and accused executives of spending millions of NRA dollars for personal use, including private-jet travel, trips to places including the Bahamas and pricey meals.

The group countered with its own lawsuit against James, Gov. Andrew Cuomo and others for allegedly trying to "blacklist" the group.

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#440 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:21 am

Not nice people.

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