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Re: Any animal killers here?

#161 Post by Ex-Ascot » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:55 pm

Excuse me but why weren't all the poachers shot dead on sight. Forget arrests. In Botswana we don't take poachers prisoner. Perhaps this is why we are taking rhino from S.A. for protection and breeding programs. Not a single rhino in the Delta has been poached since their reintroduction.

S.A. is useless when it comes to wild life protection. See there is a big fuss about 4 lions going walk about from Kruger. It is not a zoo, they can go where they wish and will. If you live in the bush in Africa you expect these wonderful animals. They 'ain't going to wander into Johannesburg. It is too dangerous for man or beast.
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#162 Post by A Lutra Continua » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:13 am

No surprise there. You've seen what we have running SA, Mr A. The thing is personally responsible for the economy's negative growth, just as Mad Bob did to Zim with the resultant destruction of the country.

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#163 Post by Capetonian » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:26 am

Op-Ed: Hunters and predator breeders take aim at Star journalist

Don Pinnock South Africa 05 Dec 2017 01:06 (South Africa)

The South African Predator Association (SAPA) – whose members breed for hunting, among other creatures, what it terms “managed ranch lions” – has set its cross-hairs on another prey: a journalist and her newspaper. By DON PINNOCK.

The Predator Association has served summons on Independent Media as publishers of The Star and a journalist, Shannon Ebrahim, following the publication of her article, Canned lion hunting damaging Brand SA. It’s claiming damages of R1,000,000.

In what is clearly an attempt to muzzle criticism aimed at its members, SAPA appears to be reaching beyond the journalist to environmental NGOs and activists she quotes who campaign against cruel hunting practices. Independent and Ebrahim will defend the action and believe they have a strong case on the merits.

The summons singles out the acclaimed documentary Blood Lions and specifically its lead consultant, Ian Michler, for what SAPA claims to be false statements that the hunting of “canned” lions is cruel, barbaric and macabre and that they are raised in cages to be shot by foreign thrill-seekers.

SAPA seems particularly stung by what it perceives in Ebrahim’s article to be a claim that its members are involved in illegal, unethical and poaching practices and unacceptable labour practices. Also that most operators and breeders are apartheid-era reactionaries.

There is a strong possibility that when Independent Newspapers defends the case, SAPA will be confronted by more than it bargained for. It is likely to be called upon to contend with claims and investigations of damning evidence from a wide range of organisations and environmentalists quoted in the Star article.

Blood Lions, for a start, has visual evidence of cruelty on farms where lions are reared for the bullet. Captive lion breeding for hunting has also been condemned by the African Lion Working Group (comprising 100 registered scientists), the Endangered Wildlife Trust, Panthera, Wildlands Trust, Wild Cat Conservation Group, International Union for Conservation of Nature, the International Fund for Animal Welfare, Four Paws, Coalition Against Lion Hunting, the NSPCA and the Humane Society International. All could probably be called on to give evidence in support of Ebrahim.

The quote on damage captive-bred hunting was doing to South Africa’s international image came from the then Minister of Tourism, Derek Hanekom.

“I think it has already damaged Brand South Africa,” he said on camera in Blood Lions. ‘The practice of canned lion hunting or breeding in captivity comes with a lot of negativity and therefore it does and probably will do further reputational damage unless we take some more decisive measures to discourage it.

“Our first step is to be in one mind as a country about whether we want this – is this something that we feel proud of as a nation? My feeling is I’m not proud of it.”

Dr Andrew Venter, the CEO of Wildlands, said he would be prepared to support Ebrahim if called to. “The South African captive lion breeding and associated hunting and bone trading activities,” he said in response to the summons, “are not regarded as bone fide conservation activities by the vast majority of conservation organisations, both in South Africa and globally, including the IUCN”.

“There is significant concern around the conditions under which the lions are bred, reared, hunted and slaughtered, with many conservationists and hunters finding the industry to be immoral and unethical in its behaviour and practice.”

Commenting on the lawsuit, the executive director of Humane Society International, Audrey Delsink, said: “It is intended to intimidate this journalist and others who see it as their duty to expose the cruel lion breeding industry for what it truly is. Ebrahim gave accepted representations of South Africa’s captive breeding and exploitation of lions. She merely collated general opinion and consensus of this shameful industry.

“SAPA should not waste the valuable time and resources of the judiciary, as well as this newspaper and journalist. This is a clear attempt to muzzle public opinion.”

Support for Ebrahim and Independent also came from tourism specialist Colin Bell. “One in seven South Africans are directly dependent on the tourism industry to put food on the table. My concern about the canned lion industry is that it potentially can damage Brand South Africa in such a bad way. Why risk that for the benefit of a few individuals?”

Shortly after SAPA issued the summons, it was slammed by 27 of the world’s top conservation and research organisations and individuals on another matter: a letter it wrote to the US Secretary of the Interior, Ryan Zinke, requesting the lifting of the ban by US Fish and Wildlife Services (USFWS ) on the importation of captive-bred lion trophies.

In an open letter to Zinke, the lion conservation community refutes SAPA’s claim that hunting of captive bred lions presents conservation benefits to wild lions. “There is no published, peer-reviewed evidence to support this statement,” they wrote. “The hunting of captive-bred lions neither benefits biodiversity conservation nor the conservation of wild and free-ranging lions.”

SAPA also claimed that if captive lion hunting was stopped, increased pressure would be placed on wild populations, but they provide no evidence whatsoever to substantiate this.

“SAPA states that if USFWS does not allow for the importation of lion trophies then these lions will be euthanised. It is unclear how this outcome would differ biologically from killing them in a captive hunt, or for their bones? Either way, the lions will be killed.

“We wish to express that SAPA’s letter is fraught with inaccuracies, false statements and a flawed viewpoint that is shaped for the economic benefit of captive lion breeders.” DM


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There's something inately wrong with the whole concept of taking the life of a wild animal purely for 'sport' or trophy aquisition. In this instance, the animal is not even wild - you may as well kill the unfortunate beast in its enclosure.

There's no real skill, risk or danger attached to the practise and I personally consider the whole concept abhorrant and the individulas who practise it vain, cowardly and contemptible.
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Would love to see one of these plonkers in a "one-on-one" with a lion etc armed perhaps with a bow-and arrow..........(the lion that is ).
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There's something inately wrong with the whole concept of taking the life of a wild animal purely for 'sport' or trophy aquisition. In this instance, the animal is not even wild - you may as well...

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They broke the first rule of PR - if it's negative reporting, let it die a natural death. This case will just magnify focus on what is a clearly unsavoury practice.
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All SAPA are going to accomplish by this is to shine more light on their dirty business.

Watch the YouTube clip below to see a SAPA member, who doesn't know he's being filmed, offering to sell an illegal tiger hunt, then watch SAPA CEO Pieter Potgieter squirm and cut the interview short when asked about it. Potgieter and the SAPA organisation (which is actually just him) has zero credibility.


1 day ago

SAPA have DEFINITELY bitten off more than they can chew on this one – the courtroom won't be big enough to hold all the "friends of the court".
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SAPA are a bunch of bully boys. https://conservationaction.co.za/resour ... ns-letter/

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Re: Any animal killers here?

#164 Post by Cacophonix » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:22 am

SAPA, scum of the earth!

Sue away boys...

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#165 Post by Capetonian » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:25 am

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What a vile, disgusting, sick perverted excuse for a human being.
Outrage at photos of American woman posing with giraffe she shot dead in South Africa

Images of an American hunter posing with the body of a black giraffe she killed in South Africa have triggered an online backlash after going viral on social media.

Thousands of Twitter users expressed outrage at Tess Thompson Talley, 37, for killing the giraffe on a hunting trip last summer.

“Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today! Spotted this rare black giraffe bull and stalked him for quite awhile,” Talley wrote in a since-deleted post on Facebook.

The post said the animal was more than 18 years old, weighed 4,000 lbs and yielded 2,000 lbs of meat. On average, giraffes have a 25-year lifespan.

The pictures went viral only recently after being reposted on Twitter last month by the website Africalandpost.

Debra Messing, an actress best known for her role in the NBC TV series "Will and Grace," described Talley on Instagram as a “disgusting, vile, amoral, heartless, selfish murderer.”

Comedian Ricky Gervais, who often posts about animal conservation issues, called Talley a profanity on Twitter and lamented giraffes being endangered.

Talley defended herself in an email to Fox News in a story posted on its website, saying the giraffe was a member of a South African sub-species that is not rare.

"The numbers of this sub-species is actually increasing due, in part, to hunters and conservation efforts paid for in large part by big game hunting,” she said.

Big game hunting is legal in South Africa, where the industry and related tourism brings in $2 billion annually, according to the BBC.

Giraffes were classified as "vulnerable" in 2016 by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, which manages the list of endangered species worldwide. The number of giraffes in sub-Saharan Africa has dropped by nearly 40 percent since 1985, according to the organisation.

Talley is not the first American who has come under fire for big game hunting. In 2015 a Minneapolis dentist prompted fury for killing Cecil, a famous Zimbabwean lion.

US President Donald Trump’s sons Donald Jr. and Eric both enjoy big-game hunting, according to their father. Pictures of them posing with animals they had killed in 2011, including a leopard, drew criticism after resurfacing in 2016.

In March, the US Fish and Wildlife Service allowed for some big game trophies to be imported from Africa on a case-by-case basis, reversing a ban initiated under Trump's predecessor President Barack Obama.

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#166 Post by Capetonian » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:40 pm

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Dear Tess Thompson Talley,

I had no idea someone as beautiful and brave as you existed in America until you posted that picture of yourself moments after executing an African giraffe. I don’t even care if you aren’t a real blonde. But if you are, praise the Lord! Which is exactly what you seem to be doing in one of the photos – thanking the Almighty for having guided this cloven-hoofed beast from hell into your crosshairs.

Your caption was so inspiring that it’s worth repeating. “Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today! Spotted this rare black giraffe bull and stalked him for quite a while. I knew it was the one. He was over 15 years old, 4000lbs, and was blessed to be able to get 2000lbs of meat from him.”

On behalf of Africa, thank you for ridding us of another giraffe. They are violent, arrogant creatures who strut about the bush looking down on all the other animals. It’s no wonder so many of the little ones, like warthogs, suffer from self-esteem issues.

Stalking a giraffe isn’t for the faint-hearted. They move so slowly that even an experienced hunter like yourself runs the risk of falling asleep and being unexpectedly eaten by a passing lion.

If it weren’t for people like you, the giraffe population would spiral out of control and it wouldn’t be long before they started moving into our neighbourhoods and sending their kids to our schools. That your giraffe was black is obviously a sign. Or bonus. Whatever.

As you say, these ones are rare. But rare only means there are others like him still out there. Thanks to your fearless efforts, his kind will soon be extinct and we will all sleep a little more soundly in our beds at night. Unless, of course, you mean that you cooked him rare.

Love the picture of you and the dead kangaroo. It can’t be easy shooting one of those brutes, what with all their bouncing up and down. And you got to do it on your birthday! It must be every little girl’s dream to shoot a kangaroo in the face when they turn 35.

Did you convert one of its front legs into a backscratcher like your buddy Dustin suggested? Here’s another cool idea. Use his pouch to store your ammunition in! You said your roo was going to make a great mount. Don’t you use husband Andrew for that sort of thing? I’m not judging. If you want to get jiggy with a dead kangaroo, that’s your business. The French do worse things.

I see hubby has a pic of himself kneeling next to a dead sheep. Bravery seems to run in the family. It’s a good thing he was wearing full camo. There’s no telling what a sheep is capable of doing if it sees you coming.

And you’ve been redecorating your new home! Love the pic of nineteen decapitated heads scattered on the floor. I spent a fun few minutes spotting game in your living room. I saw a warthog, wildebeest, plenty of buck, an animal that looks like someone’s dog and even a turkey. And you still had eight more coming from South Africa?

I can almost hear Andrew from here. “Hun, we’re gonna need a bigger house!” You ain’t gonna stop killing so, yeah, maybe you should build a second house just for the heads. That way you can visit them without having their glass eyes staring coldly at you the whole time. I hate the way dead animals always seem to judge you. Do you ever get the urge to shoot them a second time?

I didn’t see the portrait of your awesome president on the lounge wall. Maybe you hadn’t unpacked it yet. Or is it in the bedroom? Of course it is. I bet you get really turned on having Donald Trump watching you undress. Or is that more hubby’s thing?

I loved the picture of the cookies you baked. Little doughy deer, each with its own bleeding bullet wound. What a fantastic idea for a kid’s birthday party. You should bring out a compilation of your recipes. Call it The Psychopath’s Cookbook. Guaranteed bestseller. In West Texas, anyway.

So you were in our very own Limpopo province not long ago. A place called Marken? Never heard of it. Judging by the carnage, you and Andrew must have been on your second honeymoon. There’s nothing more romantic than a woman and her man walking through the African bush while gunning down animals side by side.

Great pic of you with your dead Vervet monkey and Andrew with his baboon. Tabatha asked what you’re going to do with them and you said, “Full body mounts. These ya don’t eat.” There are animals you don’t eat? What’s happening, darlin’? Don’t get soft on us. You turn your nose up at monkey and the next thing you know you’re one of them snowflake vegan chicks driving a Prius and treating Mexicans like they’re real people.

Stephenia asked if your monkey had blue balls. For a moment I thought she was talking about Andrew but then you said, “Such a pretty color huh lol.” Glad you can still appreciate the beauty in nature lol.

You told Regina that the US don’t allow you to bring none of that meat home, not even the giraffe even though he had such a yummy sweet taste. “But everything piece of meat gets ate,” you reassured her in your own special ex-cheerleader way. How do you stay so thin after putting away 2000lbs of giraffe?

So, anyway. If my government ever starts taking conservation seriously and bans trophy hunting, you could always stalk the children of illegal immigrants right there in Texas. Trump will probably move the kids out of cages now and into open-air enclosures where they at least have a sporting chance of survival. It could be fun. Anyone who makes it to 18 without getting shot is given a Green Card. You can’t get more humanitarian than that.

Odessa must be so proud of you, Tess. Not only does does your town have the highest rate of violent crime in Texas, but they also have the cutest killer in the whole damn state.

Yeehaa, baby.

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#167 Post by Slasher » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:00 pm

Admittedly she didn't just leave the animal lying there to rot - she extracted the meat presumably to be eaten. Did she offer it to the poor as a conscience-cleansing measure?

I do support hunting with purpose - deer, ducks, venison whatever - specifically for food. I have done my share of spotlighting in the past culling roos on Dalgety farms in the Riverina and the corpses were collected for pet food ingredients. Though these Skippys are indeed a farm menace, again the final result was food.

But to go and knock off a frigging giraffe FFS? Nah. That's just a plain cunsact. :-q

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#168 Post by Bull at a Gate » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:34 am

Nice to know this subject has not been forgotten.

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#169 Post by Cacophonix » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:32 am

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#170 Post by Woody » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:54 pm

When all else fails, read the instructions.

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#171 Post by OFSO » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:17 pm

Yes, Life with the Lions. Two, possibly three, rhino poachers killed and devoured by lions in a South African game reserve. Excellent news and I hope the lions didn't get any gristly bits stuck between their teeth. A few American big game "hunters" going the same way would be a Good Thing.

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#172 Post by Capetonian » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:15 pm

Good, maybe it will serve as a lesson. Reality check, it won't. Let's hope it carries on.

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#173 Post by Capetonian » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:48 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44764711
The open, legal sale of antique ivory in many European countries is covering up a trade in illegal and recently poached ivory, campaigners say.

Researchers from environmental group Avaaz bought 100 ivory items and had them radiocarbon dated at Oxford University.

Three quarters were modern ivory, being sold illegally as fake antiques. Ivory from an elephant killed by poachers as recently as 2010 was among the items passed off as being antique.

"It's sick," said Bert Wander from Avaaz, which organised the purchase of the items.

"I'm looking at the trinkets we bought on my desk, and to think that an elephant with all the things we are learning about them, about their cognition and their advanced societies, and to think that one of them has died for this bracelet I'm holding now, it makes you sick to your stomach."
Ivory is not something I would normally have, but this is something that my father must have acquired during his time in the Royal Engineers in Burma in WW2, before trade in ivory had the opprobrium it now (rightly) has.

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#174 Post by OFSO » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:54 am

Michelstadt in the Odenwald, Germany, was always the centre of ivory carving for the Vaterland. Still is, for all I know.

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#175 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:44 pm

A rhino killed here this week. Police think it wasn't planned but opportunistic. Three arrested but released on lack of evidence. High water at the mo and the authorities do not have vehicals that can persue through these conditions. Poachers thought to have got away by water.
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#176 Post by 1DC » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:01 pm

Time you got a gatling on Squiffy Pussies foredeck then..

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#177 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:55 pm

Not a bad idea DC but no poaching on our lagoon. Just farmers playing loud so called music, will use it for that.

This is all.very sad. We brought these rhinos in from SA promising them protection. Just re-writing our wills. They will get some dosh for the cause.
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#178 Post by Slasher » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:33 am

Wife in Thailand rang blubbering she ran over a little doggie and squished him while driving home from the temple this afternoon her time.

I know the canine. He is a happy little guy up the road who dances around and yaps "Hey mate great to see ya you going for a run hey that's good can I come too! oh man it must be fun to go running at dawn man I wish I could come! love seeing ya again man!" when I run past his gate about half a click into my morning jaunt.

A bit disappointing for me he died...but Buddhists take it rather hard. All life is precious in their book.

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#179 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:10 am

Sorry to hear that Capt. Always a problem when dogs run free on the roads. We have it here all the time of course. Two furry rugs on the road into town only on Friday. On Amorgos our dog ran free in the mountains. Didn't go far the only danger was getting kicked by a donkey, she was scared stiff of them. Not a bad thing.
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#180 Post by Slasher » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:22 am

I think he somehow escaped under the gate Sah. It's all dirt and if it's muddy it wouldn't be hard for him to tunnel under. I believe his owners are 2 local retirees from Bangkok.

Told Apsara where I suspect he lived and she's gone over to tell them.

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