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39 slaughtered in a container

#1 Post by Boac » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:39 pm

The awful news is getting more and more intriguing. None of which detracts from the terrible loss of life and the appalling way to die for these people.

From the media:
It seems the tractor unit (apparently 'registered' in Bulgaria but not having been there since 2017??) entered mainland UK via Holyhead from Northern Ireland, possibly towing a different trailer or container and driven by the 25 yr old northern Irishman. It re-surfaces at Purfleet port where it collects another trailer or container (said to be a 'refrigerated' one, but not necessarily 'refrigerated') . For some unknown reason it parks up at Grays in Essex in the early hours of the morning. It appears the aforementioned driver may have opened the container at this point and 'discovered' its contents.

He is, logically, arrested and charged with murder. This means the police have him in custody.

Suitable questions now for HMG, Border Force and about the cuts in Border Force budgets? According to the BBC, 'container' entry is thought to be the major contributor to illegal immigration. Roll on Brexit................

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#2 Post by 4mastacker » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:56 pm

I was watching the Home Secretary make her statement in the HoC earlier today and she reported that the lorry and trailer came through Holyhead - possibly due to some under-pressure minion having finger trouble whilst compiling the statement?

39 people found dead in a lorry.

However, reading the BBC's report it may be the case that the trailer came via Zeebrugge/Purfleet and the tractor unit came through Holyhead on its way to collect the trailer. Channel 5 news now reporting that line as well.

Must have been a horrendous sight for whoever opened the doors on that trailer.
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#3 Post by ribrash » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:24 pm

Hopefully the driver will be released once he's made a statement.

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#4 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:41 pm

ribrash wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:24 pm
Hopefully the driver will be released once he's made a statement.
It will depend on his involvement. If he was just contracted to collect and deliver the trailer, yes. OTOH if he is implicated in the smuggling route no.

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#5 Post by Boac » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:44 pm

Indeed - he would not just turn up 'by chance' at Purfleet so there is, hopefully, a trail.

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#6 Post by 4mastacker » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:56 pm

ribrash wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:24 pm
It will depend on his involvement. If he was just contracted to collect and deliver the trailer, yes. OTOH if he is implicated in the smuggling route no.
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:44 pm
Indeed - he would not just turn up 'by chance' at Purfleet so there is, hopefully, a trail.
No doubt plod will want to know why would he drive all the way from Northern Ireland to Purfleet to pick up a trailer, just to drive it to an industrial estate less than a couple of miles from the port?
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#7 Post by Capetonian » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:18 pm

Schengen Agreement allowed this to happen. If there were checks at international borders this awful tragedy or crime may have been avoided. The EU wants to eliminate international borders and eventually to subjugate nationalism and individuality. Another reason to wish for its demise as fast as possible.

There will be a confusing trail which probably won't get back to the big boss behind it all. By the way as far as I know there is no ferry service from BFS (or anywhere in NI) to Holyhead.

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#8 Post by Boac » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:42 pm

"as far as I know there is no ferry service from BFS (or anywhere in NI) to Holyhead."

Correct as far as I know - Dublin-Holyhead is the route.
4mast wrote:No doubt plod will want to know why would he drive all the way from Northern Ireland to Purfleet to pick up a trailer, just to drive it to an industrial estate less than a couple of miles from the port?
- much more to come, 4mast - he may have had a trailer 'job' from NI to UK and this job and probably another for the return. Who knows? If this - Purfleet to Grays was the only 'task' then it does get very interesting.

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#9 Post by 4mastacker » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:44 pm

Capetonian wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:18 pm
........ By the way as far as I know there is no ferry service from BFS (or anywhere in NI) to Holyhead.
Boac wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:42 pm
"as far as I know there is no ferry service from BFS (or anywhere in NI) to Holyhead."

Correct as far as I know - Dublin-Holyhead is the route.
My mistake for believing that BBC journos were quoting facts in their article.
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#10 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:05 pm

The EU is not to blame here. The UK Government, any party, or the MSM, hasn't given a flying f#ck about anything illegal related to immigration for at least 20 years. This kind of smuggling is very routine.
What they care about is any reporting of it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/numb ... -8nx2tw6lp
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 28454.html

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#11 Post by Boac » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:24 pm

It now looks as if the tractor unit originated in Dublin, not NI - from the Mail Online:

"The container was reported to be owned by the Irish company GTR Trailers. The Dublin-based firm hires out huge shipping containers to companies across Europe.

The company was unavailable to comment today. It is believed they would have had a record of when the container was taken to Zeebrugge and who had rented the unit from them."

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#12 Post by Ex-Ascot » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:18 pm

The loss of 39 lives under any circumstances is indeed very sad. But they were trying to get into the UK illegally. That is 39 less illegal immigrants and Chinese restaurants. They took the risk and lost.
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#13 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:45 pm

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Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:18 pm
The loss of 39 lives under any circumstances is indeed very sad. But they were trying to get into the UK illegally. That is 39 less illegal immigrants and Chinese restaurants. They took the risk and lost.
But do they know the risk?

Not just these but the hundreds in the Med and dozens in the Channel. Unless these failures are broadcast throughout the immigrant countries they may not know

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#14 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:29 pm

Had an interesting chat today with a near neighbour who is a retired middling-senior RUC/PSNI officer. He's very familiar with the area where the driver of that truck is from.

He tells me that what he calls "the players" developed routes and techniques for trafficking arms from Bulgaria and subsequently monetised those skills and other assets in human trafficking. The network, which characteristically used/uses small improperly guarded points of entry makes millions upon millions and that money is laundered through legit haulage firms. They cleanse the profits by massively overdeclaring profits made in legit haulage operations.

In view of the obvious political sensitivities of the past three or four years, he says that the governments have knowingly downplayed the whole thing and routinely turned a blind eye so long as the players didn't take the piss too much.

Some eejit sticking 39 people in an unventilated 42 foot trailer has changed all that, of course.

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#15 Post by om15 » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:55 pm

With the news announced hours ago that there is a general election planned for November this dynamic may change. The possibility of a Corbyn led Government should create a huge trade in requests for return journeys out of the UK in the inbound containers, this should reduce costs for the transport business's quite considerably.

Enthusiastic Chinese can come here to live in a socialist utopia and we can all bail out and move to the Yangste.

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#16 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:15 pm

Fat chance. When has this Parliament ever done a decent or sensible thing?

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#18 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:23 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:45 pm
Ex-Ascot wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:18 pm
The loss of 39 lives under any circumstances is indeed very sad. But they were trying to get into the UK illegally. That is 39 less illegal immigrants and Chinese restaurants. They took the risk and lost.
But do they know the risk?

Not just these but the hundreds in the Med and dozens in the Channel. Unless these failures are broadcast throughout the immigrant countries they may not know

Nice point but Muslim immigrants believe Allah would protect them from all harm on the way to the paradise on earth of Northern Europe.

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#19 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:40 pm

And the Chinese may well have been unaware of t hat

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#20 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:52 pm

Thanks, UP. Makes perfect sense.

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