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Re: Bow Ties

#21 Post by 603DX » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:35 pm

Coo, Ian, you move in higher social circles than me! White tie and tails were the "bee's knees" for Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their classic films, but I've never ventured into that mode of dress!

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#22 Post by ian16th » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:39 pm

603DX wrote:
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Coo, Ian, you move in higher social circles than me! White tie and tails were the "bee's knees" for Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their classic films, but I've never ventured into that mode of dress!
You don't have to mix in them to know how to dress/behave.

Even Obama & Trump dressed correctly for Buck House.
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#23 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:40 pm

Bow Tie
The Bow Tie is typically made of silk barathea or satin and is knotted by hand. It is considered poor form and déclassé by some to wear a commercially pre-knotted clip-on or hook fastened bow tie.
https://www.messetiquette.co.uk/dress.html


Déclassé! That's me... =))

On port...
There are those who believe that the decanter should not touch the table (those who like to keep the sediment in suspension?) and those who keep the decanter in contact with the table (as an initiative test?). However, one thread of custom seems to be consistent: port is always passed to the left, or clockwise round the table. There are no good grounds for believing that this has anything to do with the port side of a ship being on the left.

Over the years it has become accepted for madeira, another fortified wine, (and occasionally oloroso sherry) to be offered as well as port. Similarly it has become normal practice for these wines to be consumed after the food has been finished and the tables cleared completely.

It is said that, because in the old days port at dinner was free, poor midshipmen used to take advantage of this by filling their glasses to the very brim, forming a positive meniscus like that of mercury in a barometer. This is referred to as a 'midshipman's meniscus'.

In due course the principal guest receives the decanters from his right side, serves himself, and passes them to the President who then serves himself before replacing the stoppers. This not only ensures that the principal guest has been served, but will wait a very short time before the toasts begin; and the President has looked after all his guests before helping himself!
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#24 Post by OFSO » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:38 pm

I have one with flashing LEDs embedded in it for funerals of people I don't like but am compelled to go and see planted in a Bone Orchard.

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#25 Post by llondel » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:59 pm

Who said "Bow ties are cool".

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#26 Post by ian16th » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:01 pm

llondel wrote:
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Who said "Bow ties are cool".
He who had one that rotated as a fan!
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#27 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:12 pm

llondel wrote:
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Who said "Bow ties are cool".

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#28 Post by llondel » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:37 pm

You all missed it...


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#29 Post by Smeagol » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:07 pm

My father was a wearer of bow ties. He wore one every day at work as a building inspector for the local council and was known by the local builders on whom he carried out inspections as 'The bald headed bastard with the bow tie'.

He could be a bit strict, my old man, particularly with builders who tried to cut corners!
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#30 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:33 pm

It was many years past when last saw Madeira following the Port. I confess I didn't realise there were so many variations of Madeira until we stayed there.

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#31 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:44 pm

Our GP in Bedford in the 1970s wore a bow tie every day.
He strongly preached the inadvisability of taking antibiotics.
His mantra was "It will get better whether we treat it or not - so we won't.".
He also despised the use of Vick (vapour rub) and Lucozade ("Psychological pop").

Later on, (1989/1990) during lengthy investigations of my medical symptoms, most of the senior hospital doctors (consultants) wore bow ties, especially the 'professors' in the teaching hospitals.

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#32 Post by jimtherev » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:14 pm

One seldom feels the need. On the occasions when one's valet is unavailable, one's wife has been taught how to do the job.

And actually, one wears a dog collar more frequently than a bow tie.

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#33 Post by Alisoncc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:16 pm

Woof, woof. And a leash as and when required. :O3
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#34 Post by jimtherev » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:33 pm

Alison, you've just reminded my of a cryptic clue I instantly solved some forty years ago. (See another thread)
Clue: long thin thong thing. (5)
Over lunch, me mates could only think of rude answers, none of which fitted - and in anycase the Torygraph wouldn't have accommodated them.

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#35 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:27 am

"Leash shed shoe nest mended" as the drunken sailor said after one too many ports!
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#36 Post by 603DX » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:25 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:44 pm


Later on, (1989/1990) during lengthy investigations of my medical symptoms, most of the senior hospital doctors (consultants) wore bow ties, especially the 'professors' in the teaching hospitals.
With a couple of doctors in my family, I've been told that many of them believe that a normal long tie flapping about during medical consultations can pick up and transmit germs, so a bow tie is a more hygienic option. I dunno if that's the true reason. Having seen several of the popular "Doctor in the House" and "Carry On" films over the years, I think it's just as likely that because the actors like James Robertson Justice and others wore bow ties when playing senior roles, there's a bit of copycatting going on. ;)))

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#37 Post by Capetonian » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:53 pm

'Unclean' French continue to flout basic personal hygiene rules, study suggests

A third of French don't wash their hands after going to the toilet - but some say they no longer deserve their reputation as a smelly nation

A third of French people don’t wash their hands after going to the toilet and less than half before eating, while a fifth of Frenchmen change their underwear twice a week at best.

These are some of the unsavoury findings of a new study into personal hygiene in France, which researchers and Gallic doctors say leaves a lot to be desired. The findings stand to reinforce stereotypes that the French take a laisser-faire approach to cleanliness.

The survey by pollster Ifop found the French continued to display “ignorance of basic sanitary rules, despite public health messages and the current [coronavirus] context."

Only 37 per cent wash their hands after using public transport and 71 per cent after going to the lavatory.

The study was commissioned by Diogène France, a group specialising in cleaning insalubrious housing from sufferers of Diogenes syndrome- a disorder characterised by extreme self-neglect, domestic squalor and compulsive hoarding.

A quarter of the country failed to take a “complete wash” every day, it found.

Women were less negligent than men, with 81 per cent washing every day compared to 71 per cent of males. Rural Frenchmen only managed such daily ablutions in 60 per cent of cases while the worst offenders were the over 65s, on 57 per cent.

Matters have improved since a landmark Ifop study in 1951 for Elle magazine that asked “Are French Women Clean?”

Back then, just over half performed a full toilette daily, but 14 per cent did so less than once a week. At the time, the French used less soap than almost any other country in the developed world - 6.38kg per year compared to 11.09kg per Briton.

A mere 17 percent claimed to change their underwear every day, and 30 percent changed it only once a week or less.

However, 80 per cent wore lipstick. “French women, in sum, knew a lot about beauty; they just did not associate it with being clean,” wrote American academic Steven Zdatny in his 2014 work, “The French Hygiene Offensive of the 1950s: A Critical Moment in the History of Manners.”

Doctor Frédéric Saldmann, a cardiologist and nutritionist said the French no longer deserved their lingering reputation as a smelly nation. "But more needs to be done,” he told Le Parisien.

He said a nationwide drive in schools to educate young French on personal hygiene in the 1960s had changed habits but that bad habits were creeping back in.

For example, the nail brush seems to have disappeared from the French bathroom, he lamented, adding: “Under the nails, it’s a jungle!”
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#38 Post by OFSO » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:11 pm

An observation carried out at the European Snowflake Institution determined Frenchmen wash their hands before urininating, in contrast to other nationalities which wash their hands after. Asking one of them to account for this, Guy P. answered simply "we have more respect for our pr*cks". ( And I'm not making that up.)

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#39 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:18 pm

Time for:

"I say, Rodney - at Cranwell we were taught to wash our hands after we pee"

"Well, Aubrey - at Leeming were taught not to pee on our hands"

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#40 Post by sidevalve » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:19 pm

Top Tip: For those who struggle with tying a bow tie.

If you can tie your own shoelaces - it's exactly the same.

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