Staggering Out Over The Abyss

[admin]

Please Caco and Cape stop sniping at one another. It does little for your standing in our community, and it's boring.

Admin

[Woody]

But it’s entertaining for the rest of us

[ian16th]

I've been here 36 years now, but I still consider myself to be a Yorkshireman above all else.

As all Yorkshiremen are.

[Cacophonix]

Please Caco and Cape stop sniping at one another. It does little for your standing in our community, and it's boring.

Admin

Alison, as you know, Capetonian and me sit on opposite sides of the barbed wire fence (somewhere in the Karoo presumably) on these issues and are actually pretty friendly to each other offline and outside the context of this forum, sharing as we do a passion for aspects of aviation, so this should be classed as teasing more than sniping! Am I not to be allowed to challenge utter hogwash from some Englishman called Capetonian then!

To be fair to Captonian he makes some outrageous comments about SA, but he is always deadly serious whereas I tend to tease so in a sense I am more to blame.

No matter. I shall desist and in fact will desist from further participation on this forum generally which seems to have very little to do with aviation these days.

It has been fun but like better men than me who have come and gone here I shall bid you all adieu.

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish, or at least the music videos anyway


Caco

[Capetonian]

I don't see any 'sniping' at all. It's a discussion based upon diametrically opposed views, and apart from Caco's occasional outbursts, which I certainly don't take seriously, I think calling it 'sniping' is wrong.

And to reiterate, my comments about the current state of South Africa are serious and I do not wish to retract any of them. In all honesty I wish a retraction were appropriate, but it's not. Whether others agree or not is a matter of indifference to me.

[Woody]

I've been here 36 years now, but I still consider myself to be a Yorkshireman above all else.

As all Yorkshiremen are.

[Capetonian]

Farm repossessions have begun, albeit not 'without compensation' but today's news is that a game farm has been compulsorily purchased at 10% of its claimed market value. The press has predictably dramatised and exaggerated, but there is underlying reality.

It is likely to mark the start of a rapid decline in the economy. Profitability of white run farms is on a knife edge, and being a very labour and skills intensive process, handing over to unskilled blacks, many of whom are cronies of the government and have no interest in, or knowledge of, farming will turn them very quickly into non-productive dustbowls. Further many of the farms are in debt to banks, so those who take them over will be burdened with debt that they have no hope of repaying, so there may well be defaults. Farm employees will lose their jobs, there will be more homeless, hopeless, and jobless people on the streets. Not a good scenario.

[Woody]

More uninformed rubbish from Trumpet, almost makes the EFF statement seem reasonable

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45282088

[Woody]

As if ZA hasn’t got enough problems we’re sending Theresa May

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45318022

[Capetonian]

They can keep her.

[OFSO]

Could someone explain to me the difference - obviously subtle - between "siezing property" and "redistributing property without paying compensation".

[Capetonian]

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This sums it up. Sad but true.

[Woody]

For once they’ve actually admitted making a mistake

A number of South Africa’s ‘absurd’ regulations regarding foreigners travelling to the country will be relooked and changed following the decline of tourist activity as a direct result of our countries visa restrictions.

A specific regulation introduced by Home Affairs Minister, Malusi Gigaba, more than three years ago has been blamed for the decline in tourism in SA. This regulation was originally introduced to decrease human trafficking activity by enforcing the need for a parent, travelling to SA with a minor, to have an unabridged birth certificate (UBC) showing both parents’ details and a sworn affidavit from the absent parent.

[Mrs Ex-Ascot]

For once they’ve actually admitted making a mistake

A number of South Africa’s ‘absurd’ regulations regarding foreigners travelling to the country will be relooked and changed following the decline of tourist activity as a direct result of our countries visa restrictions.

A specific regulation introduced by Home Affairs Minister, Malusi Gigaba, more than three years ago has been blamed for the decline in tourism in SA. This regulation was originally introduced to decrease human trafficking activity by enforcing the need for a parent, travelling to SA with a minor, to have an unabridged birth certificate (UBC) showing both parents’ details and a sworn affidavit from the absent parent.

Good news, but the really stupid thing about the above regulation is the fact that it included South African citizens living abroad. Also, we had several friends whose children were at boarding school in ZA and every time they needed to return to school the parents had to go to the lawyers in Maun to sort out all the relevant papers before travelling as the papers were only valid for three months. The lawyers were happy as most boarding schools have three terms. Even if both parents were with their children they still had to sort out the certified copy of unabridged birth certificate etc etc.........

[Woody]

We’ve had problems as well and I’ve frequently had to offload families from the CPT departure due to them not knowing that rule, even did one family flying out on Christmas Day, but they were Ffrench

[Stoneboat]

Even the NYT is becoming mildly alarmed at events in SA.
South Africa's Leaders Are Killing One Another.

[Capetonian]

Some of you may know that President Ramaphosa has just appointed yet another Finance Minister, I think he's the fourth in just a couple of years. One of Zuma's lasted a weekend.

He is called Embezzlemunt.

The rest of the cabinet has been reshuffled, rather like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Some of the other appointments are :

Minister of Defence is Spearmunt
Minister of Transport is Pavemunt
Minister for Railways is Derailmunt
Minister of Trade and Industry is Bewildermunt
Minister of Prisons is Imprisonmunt
Minister of the Environment is Environmunt,
Minister of Recreation is Entertainmunt,
Minister of Law and Order is Punishmunt
Minister of Justice is Judgemunt
Minister without Portfolio is Justamunt
Minister of Labour is Unemploymunt
Minister of Pensions is Retiremunt
Minister of Police is Harassmunt

Should there be other appointmunts, I will post them as they become known.

[ricardian]

I've been here 36 years now, but I still consider myself to be a Yorkshireman above all else.
As all Yorkshiremen are.

You can always tell a Yorkshireman
but you can't tell him much.

[Woody]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46070949

[Capetonian]

SAA doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of survival until it :

- Gets rid of political appointees at all levels.
- Cuts down on non-profitable prestige routes and rationalises routes
- Gets rid of political appointees at all levels
- Manages yields properly. They have one of the best YM systems in the industry but it can be, and is, overridden for political purposes.
- Gets rid of political appointees at all levels
- Stops allowing ANC buddies, friends, family, pomps, neighbours, the man down the road and Guptas free rides and giving them jobs.
- and did I mention gets rid of political appointees at all levels.

I suspect it is too late now to compete. SA has 7 flights a week between ZA and GB.
BA has about 36, going up to 40 in peak of peak.
VS has just added another daily rotation LHR-JNB.
That's just directs. Then you have EK with 56 flights a week into ZA, and many others offering connecting services.