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#1 Post by OneHungLow » Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:14 am

No, I am not necessarily talking about the Whiplash Bar at the Karl Lagerfeld bondage dungeons in Bremerhaven. I was apt to think of Pete's Bar on Neptune Beach near JAX.

I see, sadly that it was non est in 2021. How sad for the Jensen family who opened the place after the end of prohibition in 1933.
It's been a bar since 1933, a draw for locals and even some tourists.

One tourist was mega-selling author John Grisham, who often came to the Beaches with his son's baseball team. He set a good part of his book "The Brethren" in a slightly fictionalized version of Pete's, which he described as a local's favorite, "even though the college kids had discovered the place."
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I see that it has since been reopened by some soulless chain, who have completely defanged the place. I am not a smoker, but any bar that bans smoking is lame in my book.

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#2 Post by OneHungLow » Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:58 am

I remember Pete's Bar had the following printed on a scroll on one of the walls...

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Be seated.

Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would be killed in a major battle. Every man is scared in his first action. If he says he's not, he's a goddamn liar. But the real hero is the man who fights even though he's scared. Some men will get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour, and for some it takes days. But the real man never lets his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood.

All through your army career you men have bitched about what you call 'this chicken-***** drilling.' That is all for a purpose—to ensure instant obedience to orders and to create constant alertness. This must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a **** for a man who is not always on his toes. But the drilling has made veterans of all you men. You are ready! A man has to be alert all the time if he expects to keep on breathing. If not, some German son-of-a-bitch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of *****. There are four hundred neatly marked graves in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job—but they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before his officer did.

An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is *****. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real battle than they do about ****. And we have the best team—we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor bastards we're going up against.

All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don't say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shits, has a job to do.

Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don't want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, goddamn cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, sir.' 'Isn't it a little unhealthy up there right now?' I asked. 'Yes sir, but this goddamn wire has got to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No sir, but you sure as hell do.' Now, there was a real soldier. A real man. A man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty appeared at the time.

And you should have seen the trucks on the road to Gabès. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they crawled along those son-of-a-bitch roads, never stopping, never deviating from their course with shells bursting all around them. Many of the men drove over 40 consecutive hours. We got through on good old American guts. These were not combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost.

Sure, we all want to go home. We want to get this war over with. But you can't win a war lying down. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards who started it. We want to get the hell over there and clean the goddamn thing up, and then get at those purple-pissing Japs.[a] The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. So keep moving. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler.

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually. The hell with that. My men don't dig foxholes. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have or ever will have. We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-****-basket.

Some of you men are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you'll all do your duty. War is a bloody business, a killing business. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood or they will spill yours. Shoot them in the guts. Rip open their belly. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt from your face and you realize that it's not dirt, it's the blood and guts of what was once your best friend, you'll know what to do.

I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position.' We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's balls. We're going to hold him by his balls and we're going to kick him in the ass; twist his balls and kick the living ***** out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like ***** through a tinhorn.

There will be some complaints that we're pushing our people too hard. I don't give a damn about such complaints. I believe that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing harder means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that. My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That's not just ***** either. I want men like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Luger against his chest, swept aside the gun with his hand, jerked his helmet off with the other and busted the hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he picked up the gun and he killed another German. All this time the man had a bullet through his lung. That's a man for you!

Don't forget, you don't know I'm here at all. No word of that fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell they did with me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this army. I'm not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamned Germans. Some day, I want them to rise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl 'Ach! It's the goddamned Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again!'

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great World War Two?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled ***** in Louisiana.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-bitch named George Patton!'

All right, you sons of bitches. You know how I feel. I'll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That's all.
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#3 Post by tango15 » Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:53 pm

The Sunset Bar at St Maarten in the early days, before it really caught on and the advent of FR24. Great situation, and a great international crowd used to hang out in there.
Night Flight - a Swedish-owned bar in the centre of Moscow. Very sophisticated and full of what I believe is called top totty. Of course, they wanted paying for their services, but were happy to chat if they knew they weren't going to be pulled by someone else. It also had an excellent restaurant, which thankfully didn't serve meat balls.
Barbarellas, Rio de Janeiro, as above, but with Brazilian ladies and without the restaurant.
The Ice Box, Herndon, DC. A great bar and restaurant that served excellent food and was the canteen for the BAe staff working in our office in Dulles. Only disreputable when we were in there, but they loved us really!
Harry's Bar, Boat Quay, Singapore. Sometime haunt of Nick Lesson, the man who brought down Barings Bank, although I was not aware of him being there at the time.

Disclaimer: Lest anyone should consider contacting Alcoholics Anonymous on my behalf, all the above were visited more than once, but over a period of 20+ years. :)

I am sure there are more, but these immediately come to mind.

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#4 Post by Rossian » Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:13 pm

.....in La Linea de la Concepcion over the border from Gib. You could get a demi-john of sherry filled up there for not a lot. Usually he queried "Media /media?" which was a mix of the sweetest and the driest and was palatable (just about). If you wanted something different he was prepared to spend most of an afternoon in "What about this .....? Or maybe a touch of that?" and he kept tally on the proportions in chalk marks on the bar as one tasted. Finally agreed he made up the whole demi-john to your spec and a final taste. Each mix required a copita to taste of course. Money changed hands and one wibbled one's way back across the border.
It was like drinking in a toilet, all green tiles and sherry barrels embedded in the walls. On a hot southern Spain afternoon it was a haven of coolth and peace. He always wore a suit and tie, very old fashioned and courteous. A nice chap.

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#5 Post by Woody » Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:19 pm

Tango 15, you forgot about Yates Wine Lodge in Talbot Square. Champagne on draught :-bd
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#6 Post by OFSO » Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:29 pm

The first bar of Beethoven's Fifth is most enjoyable, especially the disreputable silent first beat.

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#7 Post by OneHungLow » Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:05 pm

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The first bar of Beethoven's Fifth is most enjoyable, especially the disreputable silent first beat.
The Big Windsor in Cardiff was the most disreputable musical bar I remember.

Sadly the whole area was yuppified and the bar became some swanky restaurant. The building is listed.

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#8 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:07 pm

The Casino, Ketchum, Idaho, late 70's.
Dive bar with coldest and cheapest (90 cents) canned beer in town.
TV behind bar seemed to have Monty Python or Benny Hill on.

St. Elmo's in Brewery Gulch, Bisbee, Arizona, mid to late 80's.
Low-life bar, though never witnessed any real unpleasantness, it was routinely visited by police and EMS.
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#9 Post by 1DC » Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:34 pm

I was barred from the Star Bar in Mombassa,cant remember what I did but to get barred had to be considered an achievement. Was thrown out (horizontally not escorted) of the Penguin Bar in Lourenco Marques (now Maputo),apparently I upset the barman's sister who tried to earn a living in the place.Not barred though.The Honeymoon bar in Osaka has happy memories from my first trip to sea.
Cottee's is still available in Grimsby and you will be able to get anything you want in there,from a fight to a dalliance with a lady of the night. Don't ask how I know because it was ever thus and has been since before the second world war.

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#10 Post by OneHungLow » Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:44 pm

1DC wrote:
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I was barred from the Star Bar in Mombassa,cant remember what I did but to get barred had to be considered an achievement. Was thrown out (horizontally not escorted) of the Penguin Bar in Lourenco Marques (now Maputo),apparently I upset the barman's sister who tried to earn a living in the place.Not barred though.The Honeymoon bar in Osaka has happy memories from my first trip to sea.
Cottee's is still available in Grimsby and you will be able to get anything you want in there,from a fight to a dalliance with a lady of the night. Don't ask how I know because it was ever thus and has been since before the second world war.
Was food poisoned in Lourenco Marques. Bad mussels. Seriously thought I was going to die. A year after that the Portuguese left, blocked the toilets with cement and things got even worse.
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#11 Post by 1DC » Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:59 pm

We used to go to LM on a tanker to discharge petrol, it was considered to be a good run ashore. The chief steward used to walk along the quay with two cartons of cigarettes to the fishing boats berthed at the end and come back with two sacks of big juicy prawns. LM was part of the standard run from the Persian Gulf to Durban, LM and Beira loaded with Diesel,Petrol and Kerosine
I had bad mussels in Genoa and had the same experience as you did, although they did taste nice at the time.

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#12 Post by tango15 » Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:45 pm

Woody wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:19 pm
Tango 15, you forgot about Yates Wine Lodge in Talbot Square. Champagne on draught :-bd
Oh, yes - much closer to home. I will confess to having dropped in there from time to time, but I preferred the ANT Flying Club at Squires Gate :)

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#13 Post by Rossian » Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:59 pm

.....enjoyed is probably the wrong word, experienced perhaps,survived maybe? The Brass Nut on the base at Keflavik, matt black walls and ceiling and all the lighting was UV. The floor was one of these coverings your shoes tacky to the by spilt beer and vomit. The door to the heads was labelled Vomit Here. Once I remember wondering how reflective bare buttocks were in the UV whilst some guy was rogering some poor young female sailor. One evening the drunk at the bar was the duty medic and when I reported that one of our crew had fallen over on the ice outside and had broken his leg "I'll decide whether his leg is broke or not, you're not qualified" was the response. When I said that crepitus was a pretty good indicator, "mebbee"sez he. Our chap was in sick bay there for a couple of weeks until flown home in a P3 (it was a good while ago).
Upside down Margaritas on the bar was a frequent tipple. Sit on bar stool, rest back of head on bar and open mouth. All the ingredients are poured into your mouth, lime, salt the lot. Close mouth, sit up straight-(ish) shake head to and fro to mix and swallow in one. It was sordid exemplified. It's a miracle I survived(sometimes to fly the next day).

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#14 Post by John Hill » Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:14 pm

Although I have been around the world more times than I counted I must admit to have been rarely exposed to the delights of disreputable bars. Well there was that time in Pago Pago when two of use were a bit slow rushing to the door and spent the night in the local slammer.
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#15 Post by Hydromet » Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:05 am

Various ones in various cities, but they all seem to blend in to one. However, a couple of bush ones spring to mind, Innaminka pub for one. Went there many times, but once on a work trip was 'interesting'.
The bloke I was with always took a stack of womens' magazines with him, in the belief that at the very least, it would get us a home-cooked meal at some of the properties we visited, and possibly more (for him). The barmaid at Innaminka this night was wearing a tiny bikini, and was not at all ugly, so he asked if she would like him to bring some magazines to her caravan after the pub closed, to which she assented. When he took the magazines to her, her dog came out from under the van and nearly took his leg off at the hip, she opened the door, took the magazines and thanked him, before closing and locking the door.

Oh well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

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#16 Post by bob2s » Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:53 am

Halls Creek in West Oz in 1967 was not a pub one enjoyed, as when ordering a beer the reply was "hot or cold ", Hot was straight from the shelf,
Cold was from under a wet hessian sack, this meant you could probably hold it without burning your hand. At that time pretty much the a--- hole
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#17 Post by Hydromet » Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:09 am

The only other place I've seen the wet hessian sack on a keg was Sandy Hollow in the Hunter Valley, mid-late '60s. There was wheat sprouting from the hessian. My boss at the time once asked the publican if he could "put it back on the Primus, it's gone off the boil."

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#18 Post by OneHungLow » Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:28 am

Hydromet wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:09 am
The only other place I've seen the wet hessian sack on a keg was Sandy Hollow in the Hunter Valley, mid-late '60s. There was wheat sprouting from the hessian. My boss at the time once asked the publican if he could "put it back on the Primus, it's gone off the boil."
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#19 Post by Hydromet » Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:44 am

OHL, definitely not.

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#20 Post by tango15 » Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:42 pm

I can't remember the name of it now, but there used to be a night club in Dubai that had a reputation. My son and I were there for the air show (as visitors), and after the show we went for dinner and a few drinks. I mentioned this place to him and he was up for it. We summoned a taxi, which took us to what was basically an industrial area, but with this very smart building just on the edge of the area. The interior decor was interesting, with old car body shells hanging on the walls. The music (recorded) was not too loud, and the place was full of ladies of the night. We largely ignored them, taking in the atmosphere in general, however, they were not to be ignored. A darkish statuesque lady sidled up to us and asked if we were interested. We told her no, but she chatted politely to us for a few minutes, at the end of which she said, "Pity, I've never had a father and son before." It turned out she was Ethiopian, which rather surprised us, because statuesque and Ethiopian are two words not normally found in the same sentence.
This was in the early 2000s, but I heard a couple of years later that it had been closed down by the authorities. I wish I could remember the name of it though!

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