Wheelchair passenger says he had to drag himself off Air Canada plane
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/air- ... index.html
For most people, arriving for a trip to Las Vegas brings excitement, mixed with a little trepidation.
But for Rodney Hodgins, who traveled in August, his flight into the city was an experience so traumatic, he says, that it ruined the rest of his trip.
Hodgins, a wheelchair user, says that he had to drag himself along the aisle, helped by his wife, when mobility assistance staff from the airport didn’t turn up to assist him. He says that Air Canada staff instructed him to disembark on foot – despite the fact that he can’t walk – so that they could turn the plane around.
Hodgins – who has spastic cerebral palsy – can support his own weight but cannot move his legs.
Hodgins and his wife Deanna were flying from Prince George in British Columbia to Vancouver, and then Vancouver to Vegas in late August. It was a special occasion – their first wedding anniversary.
The couple had married in 2022 in Vegas, and this was to be a chance to enjoy Sin City without wedding planning or stress. Hodgins had booked six days in a suite at the fancy Delano Las Vegas hotel, as a surprise for Deanna. “He’d planned the whole trip – he was heartbroken when it went sideways,” she says.
‘We thought he was kidding’
The narrow aisles on commercial passenger aircraft generally cannot accommodate wheelchairs onboard – although an innovative new idea aims to resolve the problem – so users are usually asked to leave their chair at the door of the plane, where it is loaded into the hold. The passenger then transfers into their seat with an aisle chair – a narrow, notoriously uncomfortable implement – by airport assistance staff. Upon landing, the reverse happens.
Because of his condition, Hodgins generally needs two or three members of mobility assistance staff to help him in the aisle chair – and the couple say they informed Air Canada of his requirements when they booked the assistance alongside the flights, eight months ahead of travel.
But while the first flight went according to plan, when the second one landed, Hodgins says that nobody turned up to assist him off the plane for 20 minutes.
“When we landed in Las Vegas we were happy. It was Vegas, it’s warm, it’s beautiful, we were ecstatic,” says Deanna Hodgins.
But then reality hit.
The couple say that about 20 minutes after landing, while they were in their Row 12 seats, watching the power chair being removed from the hold and brought up to the jetbridge, a male flight attendant walked over and asked them to walk to the front of the plane. The reason? They needed to prepare for the next flight, he said.
“We thought he was kidding at first, because everyone was in such a good mood,” says Deanna Hodgins.
“He was the flight attendant – he was there the whole flight – he saw my husband be brought on the flight with an aisle chair. So we laughed, thinking it was absurd.”
But the flight attendant wasn’t joking.
“He insisted that the plane had to turnaround, and had another flight, and we needed to get off,” she says.
“We started panicking. We were like, what do you mean we have to get off? We can’t – his wheelchair’s out in the jetway. We didn’t know how we were going to do that.”
But, they say, the flight attendant continued to insist.
As they were pointing out that Hodgins couldn’t walk, they say, one person arrived from mobility assistance to help with the aisle chair – the only person during the incident to treat them kindly, they say.
Passenger needed more assistance
Rodney Hodgins said he wants to use the incident to raise awareness of what people with disabilities have to cope with while flying.
Hodgins needs more than one person to maneuver him into the chair – but he says this staffer told him that nobody else was coming. “I’ve radioed twice, there’s no one here,” he told them.
The couple decided to wait, assuming that someone else would eventually turn up. Meanwhile the cleaning crew worked their way down the plane and the cabin crew appeared to be discussing what to do with the pilots and staff on the jetway.
Finally, as the cleaning team reached their row, the Hodgins still felt pressure to move, says Deanna Hodgins. “They were like, ‘we have to turn this plane around.’ That’s when Rodney finally just said, ‘We’re going to have to get off this plane somehow – I’m just going to have to drag myself.”
“There was no way I could get to the front of the plane because of course I can’t walk,” Hodgins tells CNN. “I was pretty ticked off, but I told my wife to help me up on my feet. I can’t really move my legs so my wife had to go on the floor and help me [move them].” Hodgins supported himself by holding onto seats on either side of the aisle as his wife moved his legs. With her on the floor and him dragging himself with his arms, they managed to go the whole 12 rows.
But when they reached the galley area ahead of the front row, there was nothing more for him to hold onto – and still no sign of any assistance staff. “I had to get my wife in front of me and hold me up with her shoulders,” he says.
They called for the staffer with the aisle chair to bring it – he’d been sitting further back in the plane as they struggled to the front – and managed to maneuver Rodney into it, with the help of Deanna, to get off the plane and into his power chair, which had been waiting for them at the aircraft door the whole time.
The incident had a knock-on effect on their trip to Vegas, they say, as Hodgins had sustained physical damage. “He couldn’t even get in the shower for three days,” says Deanna.
The airline passengers getting 'unacceptable' treatment
Seeking resolution and change
In an email from the airline to the couple in response to the Hodgins’ account of how they were treated, seen by CNN, Air Canada says that, “Based on the information we currently have available, we have to regrettably admit that Air Canada was in violation of the disability regulations.”
Air Canada said in a statement released to CNN that they had tried emailing and then called the couple to apologize offered compensation to Hodgins for his “upsetting travel experience.”
“The level of care that should have been provided at the destination airport was not. We use the services of a third-party wheelchair assistance specialist in Las Vegas to provide safe transport on and off aircraft. During our investigation into what happened, we determined the flight attendants followed procedures, including offering assistance that was declined. Following our investigation into how this serious service lapse occurred, we will be evaluating other mobility assistance service partners in Las Vegas.”
The airline declined to offer specifics in response to CNN’s questions about the Hodgins’ allegations.
Enforcement officers of the Canadian Transportation Agency are investigating the incident, the agency told CNN.
Canada’s Minister of Transport, Pablo Rodriguez, has called on Air Canada to meet this week with him and Canada’s Minister of Diversity, Inclusion and Persons with Disabilities.
“I was horrified to learn about another incident on an Air Canada flight. All Canadians must be treated with dignity and respect. Full stop,” Rodriguez said in a statement, adding that the airline “must present a plan to address this.”
Deanna Hodgins says that a female flight attendant offered to carry their bags – but is adamant that no other assistance was offered. “They didn’t offer assistance to move him in any way, or assist us in moving him, at any time at all.”
And while Air Canada appears to be blaming mobility assistance staff, the Hodgins lay the blame firmly at the feet of the airline.
“It wasn’t the transport crew that told us to get off the plane,” says Deanna Hodgins.
Looking for ‘dignified treatment’
The airline has sent them $2,000 in flight credits, but the couple were hoping for something rather cheaper: time.
“Rodney was hoping that someone high up from Air Canada would just have a human to human decent conversation about how it made him feel, just to make him feel human again,” say Deanna.
“Just to say, ‘Hey, this is how you failed. And this can never happen again. And this is kind of the policies that we’d like to see you put in place, because you can say sorry all you want, but until you do something, it doesn’t mean much.’
Hodgins now wants to use the incident to raise awareness of what people with disabilities – roughly one in six of the global population – have to cope with while flying.
He also wants to campaign for more effective penalties for airlines and airports that fail their special assistance passengers, suggesting that if passengers haven’t been helped off the plane within 15 minutes of reaching the gate, airlines should be fined.
Rodney Hodgins celebrated his 50th birthday this month – but the couple, who try to travel as much as possible, canceled their trip. “We were so scared something would go wrong on the flight,” says Deanna.
“We didn’t want special treatment. We just wanted to fly, and we just wanted dignified treatment. No one’s asking for special treatment – just simple assistance.”
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Airlines Behaving Badly
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It seems that there may be more to the forced landing of the Ural A320 in Godknowswhereski than we were led to believe. Note the highlighted paragraph. I wonder if that's why the aircraft hasn't been moved? It can't be too far off snow time where it is currently.
https://avherald.com/h?article=50e4701a&opt=0
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A video of American Airlines workers mishandling a wheelchair is spreading outrage on TikTok. Data shows this happens thousands of times a year.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-americ ... 48592.html
A video of American Airlines mishandling a wheelchair has been generating outrage on TikTok.
In the video, workers send a wheelchair speeding down a long ramp before it flips and crashes onto the tarmac.
Data from the Department of Transportation shows this happens thousands of times a year.
A video of American Airlines workers mishandling a wheelchair has been generating outrage on TikTok. And data shows baggage handlers actually damage or destroy mobility devices thousands of times a year.
A TikTok user posted a video from Miami airport over the weekend that shows a baggage handler sending a wheelchair racing down a long ramp and crashing onto the tarmac while an American Airlines worker stands by before casually picking it up and plopping it on a luggage cart.
https://v16m-default.tiktokcdn-us.com/0 ... =e00008000
The poster commented, "Dang, after i saw them do this and laugh with the first two wheelchairs i had to get it on film. That is not what id call "handling with care" for someones mobility device."
The video, which has already been viewed over 730,000 times, received thousands of comments from people expressing their outrage over the mishandling of the wheelchair, with some users sharing their own experiences of airlines wrecking their mobility devices.
"This visual is deeply concerning and we are gathering more details so that we can address them with our team," American Airlines said in a statement to Business Insider, when asked specifically about the incident shared on TikTok. "We will continue to work hard to improve our handling of assistive devices across our network."
Data from the Department of Transportation shows that in 2022, the top 10 US-based airlines lost, damaged, or destroyed 11,389 wheelchairs and scooters.
Out of a total of 741,582 wheelchairs and scooters the airlines transported, that amounts to about 1.5% that were mishandled, according to the data.
The airlines with the most incidents reported in 2022 were Spirit Airlines and JetBlue Airways, both with over 5% mishandled, followed by American Airlines, with more than 2% mishandled, according to the DOT's data.
American Airlines added in its response to Business Insider that it routinely provides training to its staff on how to handle mobility devices and that it is installing wheelchair movers and lifts at some airports to lower the risk of damage.
The company did not respond to a question asking if it reimburses passengers whose devices have been damaged.
The average cost of a wheelchair ranges from $500 to $1,500, with the most expensive power wheelchairs reaching up to $30,000, according to Freedom Motors.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-americ ... 48592.html
A video of American Airlines mishandling a wheelchair has been generating outrage on TikTok.
In the video, workers send a wheelchair speeding down a long ramp before it flips and crashes onto the tarmac.
Data from the Department of Transportation shows this happens thousands of times a year.
A video of American Airlines workers mishandling a wheelchair has been generating outrage on TikTok. And data shows baggage handlers actually damage or destroy mobility devices thousands of times a year.
A TikTok user posted a video from Miami airport over the weekend that shows a baggage handler sending a wheelchair racing down a long ramp and crashing onto the tarmac while an American Airlines worker stands by before casually picking it up and plopping it on a luggage cart.
https://v16m-default.tiktokcdn-us.com/0 ... =e00008000
The poster commented, "Dang, after i saw them do this and laugh with the first two wheelchairs i had to get it on film. That is not what id call "handling with care" for someones mobility device."
The video, which has already been viewed over 730,000 times, received thousands of comments from people expressing their outrage over the mishandling of the wheelchair, with some users sharing their own experiences of airlines wrecking their mobility devices.
"This visual is deeply concerning and we are gathering more details so that we can address them with our team," American Airlines said in a statement to Business Insider, when asked specifically about the incident shared on TikTok. "We will continue to work hard to improve our handling of assistive devices across our network."
Data from the Department of Transportation shows that in 2022, the top 10 US-based airlines lost, damaged, or destroyed 11,389 wheelchairs and scooters.
Out of a total of 741,582 wheelchairs and scooters the airlines transported, that amounts to about 1.5% that were mishandled, according to the data.
The airlines with the most incidents reported in 2022 were Spirit Airlines and JetBlue Airways, both with over 5% mishandled, followed by American Airlines, with more than 2% mishandled, according to the DOT's data.
American Airlines added in its response to Business Insider that it routinely provides training to its staff on how to handle mobility devices and that it is installing wheelchair movers and lifts at some airports to lower the risk of damage.
The company did not respond to a question asking if it reimburses passengers whose devices have been damaged.
The average cost of a wheelchair ranges from $500 to $1,500, with the most expensive power wheelchairs reaching up to $30,000, according to Freedom Motors.
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Sounds like the solution to that one is some sort of wheel locking device fitted by the owner so it doesn't roll.
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Spirit Airlines put an unaccompanied child on the wrong plane
Fort Myers, Florida, television station WINK-TV identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sp ... rcna131071
Spirit Airlines has apologized after it mistakenly put an unaccompanied child on the wrong flight during the holiday season travel rush.
The child was supposed to fly from Philadelphia International Airport to Southwest Florida International Airport in Fort Myers on Thursday. But the minor was “incorrectly boarded” on a flight to Orlando, according to the airline.
“The child was always under the care and supervision of a Spirit Team Member, and as soon as we discovered the error, we took immediate steps to communicate with the family and reconnect them,” Spirit said in a statement Saturday.
“We take the safety and responsibility of transporting all of our Guests seriously and are conducting an internal investigation,” the airline added. “We apologize to the family for this experience.”
Spirit did not provide any information about the child or explain how the mistake happened. WINK-TV, a television station in Fort Myers, identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
“I ran inside the plane to the flight attendant and I asked her, ‘Where’s my grandson? He was handed over to you at Philadelphia?’ She said, ‘No, I had no kids with me,’” Maria Ramos, the boy’s grandma, told WINK-TV.
Fortunately, Ramos’ grandchild called her and said he had landed — 160 miles away. She told WINK-TV that she wants answers.
“I want them to call me [and] let me know how my grandson ended up in Orlando,” Ramos said. “How did that happen? Did they get him off the plane? The flight attendant — after mom handed him with paperwork — did she let him go by himself? He jumped in the wrong plane by himself?”
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Fort Myers, Florida, television station WINK-TV identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sp ... rcna131071
Spirit Airlines has apologized after it mistakenly put an unaccompanied child on the wrong flight during the holiday season travel rush.
The child was supposed to fly from Philadelphia International Airport to Southwest Florida International Airport in Fort Myers on Thursday. But the minor was “incorrectly boarded” on a flight to Orlando, according to the airline.
“The child was always under the care and supervision of a Spirit Team Member, and as soon as we discovered the error, we took immediate steps to communicate with the family and reconnect them,” Spirit said in a statement Saturday.
“We take the safety and responsibility of transporting all of our Guests seriously and are conducting an internal investigation,” the airline added. “We apologize to the family for this experience.”
Spirit did not provide any information about the child or explain how the mistake happened. WINK-TV, a television station in Fort Myers, identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
“I ran inside the plane to the flight attendant and I asked her, ‘Where’s my grandson? He was handed over to you at Philadelphia?’ She said, ‘No, I had no kids with me,’” Maria Ramos, the boy’s grandma, told WINK-TV.
Fortunately, Ramos’ grandchild called her and said he had landed — 160 miles away. She told WINK-TV that she wants answers.
“I want them to call me [and] let me know how my grandson ended up in Orlando,” Ramos said. “How did that happen? Did they get him off the plane? The flight attendant — after mom handed him with paperwork — did she let him go by himself? He jumped in the wrong plane by himself?”
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I believe it is called 'Air Experience'.
Re: Airlines Behaving Badly
Spirit gate agent no longer working for airline after escorting child to wrong flightPHXPhlyer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:00 pmSpirit Airlines put an unaccompanied child on the wrong plane
Fort Myers, Florida, television station WINK-TV identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sp ... rcna131071
Spirit Airlines has apologized after it mistakenly put an unaccompanied child on the wrong flight during the holiday season travel rush.
The child was supposed to fly from Philadelphia International Airport to Southwest Florida International Airport in Fort Myers on Thursday. But the minor was “incorrectly boarded” on a flight to Orlando, according to the airline.
“The child was always under the care and supervision of a Spirit Team Member, and as soon as we discovered the error, we took immediate steps to communicate with the family and reconnect them,” Spirit said in a statement Saturday.
“We take the safety and responsibility of transporting all of our Guests seriously and are conducting an internal investigation,” the airline added. “We apologize to the family for this experience.”
Spirit did not provide any information about the child or explain how the mistake happened. WINK-TV, a television station in Fort Myers, identified the child as a 6-year-old first-time flyer who was supposed to visit his grandmother.
“I ran inside the plane to the flight attendant and I asked her, ‘Where’s my grandson? He was handed over to you at Philadelphia?’ She said, ‘No, I had no kids with me,’” Maria Ramos, the boy’s grandma, told WINK-TV.
Fortunately, Ramos’ grandchild called her and said he had landed — 160 miles away. She told WINK-TV that she wants answers.
“I want them to call me [and] let me know how my grandson ended up in Orlando,” Ramos said. “How did that happen? Did they get him off the plane? The flight attendant — after mom handed him with paperwork — did she let him go by himself? He jumped in the wrong plane by himself?”
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/travel/s ... index.html
Spirit Airlines says the person who escorted a child onto the wrong flight last week is no longer working for the company. The 6-year-old was supposed to fly from Philadelphia to visit his grandmother in Fort Myers, Florida, but ended up on a flight to Orlando instead.
“To better understand what occurred, we immediately launched a thorough internal investigation and discovered that a gate agent in Philadelphia (PHL) escorted the child to the incorrect aircraft,” Spirit Airlines said in a statement. “This agent is no longer working with Spirit, and any individual whose actions resulted in the incorrect boarding will be held accountable for failing to follow our procedures.”
The airline previously apologized for the error. In its latest statement, Spirit added, “We are also reiterating our procedures to the team, and we are in communication with the child’s family about this matter.”
Spirit said the child was under the supervision of a Spirit employee the whole time.
Panic set in for Maria Ramos, who was identified as the child’s grandmother, after the plane her grandson was initially supposed to be on landed and he wasn’t on it, she told CNN affiliate WINK-TV.
She said she had to drive nearly 160 miles from Fort Myers to Orlando on December 21 to pick up the boy.
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Again?
Teen traveling alone on Frontier Airlines from Tampa accidentally flown to Puerto Rico
The 16-year-old was supposed to fly to Cleveland. His father said the gate agent did not scan his boarding pass.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... rcna131691
In what appears to be an ongoing theme this holiday season a 16-year-old boy traveling by himself from Tampa, Florida, was accidentally flown to Puerto Rico, Frontier Airlines said, offering an apology to the family.
The teen was supposed to fly to Cleveland, Ohio, on a Dec. 22 flight out of Tampa International Airport but "mistakenly boarded a different flight to San Juan, Puerto Rico," a spokesperson for the airline company said.
Both flights departed from the same gate, with the San Juan flight departing first, Frontier said.
The teen was immediately flown back to Tampa and put on a flight to Cleveland the following day.
Ryan Lose told "NBC Nightly News" that his son, Logan Lose, was nervous about flying alone for the first time and checked with the gate agent before boarding his flight. Ryan Lose said the agent checked his son's baggage and looked at his boarding pass but did not scan it.
When the plane landed in Puerto Rico, Logan frantically texted his family.
"I could feel the fear in the text messages. I could feel how scared he was," the teen's father said. "My heart pretty much sank at that point because there was nothing I could do."
The teen eventually arrived in Cleveland, where he was visiting his mother for Christmas, on Dec. 23.
Frontier Airlines said it allows children 15 and older to fly alone and does not have an "unaccompanied minor program" that provides escorts for minors.
"Frontier has extended its sincere apologies to the family for the error," the spokesperson said.
In a separate incident last week, a 6-year-old child flying on Spirit Airlines from Philadelphia to Fort Myers, Florida was incorrectly put on a plane headed for Orlando. The airline said the agent responsible was no longer working for the company.
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Teen traveling alone on Frontier Airlines from Tampa accidentally flown to Puerto Rico
The 16-year-old was supposed to fly to Cleveland. His father said the gate agent did not scan his boarding pass.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... rcna131691
In what appears to be an ongoing theme this holiday season a 16-year-old boy traveling by himself from Tampa, Florida, was accidentally flown to Puerto Rico, Frontier Airlines said, offering an apology to the family.
The teen was supposed to fly to Cleveland, Ohio, on a Dec. 22 flight out of Tampa International Airport but "mistakenly boarded a different flight to San Juan, Puerto Rico," a spokesperson for the airline company said.
Both flights departed from the same gate, with the San Juan flight departing first, Frontier said.
The teen was immediately flown back to Tampa and put on a flight to Cleveland the following day.
Ryan Lose told "NBC Nightly News" that his son, Logan Lose, was nervous about flying alone for the first time and checked with the gate agent before boarding his flight. Ryan Lose said the agent checked his son's baggage and looked at his boarding pass but did not scan it.
When the plane landed in Puerto Rico, Logan frantically texted his family.
"I could feel the fear in the text messages. I could feel how scared he was," the teen's father said. "My heart pretty much sank at that point because there was nothing I could do."
The teen eventually arrived in Cleveland, where he was visiting his mother for Christmas, on Dec. 23.
Frontier Airlines said it allows children 15 and older to fly alone and does not have an "unaccompanied minor program" that provides escorts for minors.
"Frontier has extended its sincere apologies to the family for the error," the spokesperson said.
In a separate incident last week, a 6-year-old child flying on Spirit Airlines from Philadelphia to Fort Myers, Florida was incorrectly put on a plane headed for Orlando. The airline said the agent responsible was no longer working for the company.
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No Lights, No Food, No Recline: The 5 Hour American Airlines Flight Where Even The Toilets Were Shut Off
https://viewfromthewing.com/no-lights-n ... -shut-off/
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/america ... 024-a.html
American Airlines reportedly sent a redeye flight from Los Angeles to New York on February 2 without working electrical systems. There was only emergency lighting in the cabin. Flight attendants couldn’t prepare food in the galley of the cross country flight, and business and first class seats didn’t have power so could not recline.
According to a passenger who reported on FlyerTalk.com that they were seated in first class seat 3F, “The cabin exit strips and the emergency light in toilets were illuminated [but] toilets did not flush.”
Cross country flight AA28, scheduled to depart at 10:47 p.m. and land at New York JFK at 7:00 a.m. the next morning, is operated by American’s premium Airbus A321T, a product that is beginning the process of being eliminated. It has coach, business class, and a Flagship First Class seat as well.
American Airlines A321T Flagship First Class
Passengers in Flagship First Class – something no other U.S. airline offers – were given “no food, 1 cocktail.” Flight attendants tried to perform service but their “flashlights were running out of power” as the flight progressed.
But the lack of food even in first and business class, and an inability to recline into the bed that American had promised to customers, was the least of passenger concerns: “Toilets were disgusting people were peeing in the sinks since they drain.” (I imagine those sinks looked like the ones on this Delhi flight.)
American Airlines A321T Business Class
I was somewhat skeptical of the story at first, because the aircraft in question appears to have spent less than two hours on the ground in New York before flying Westbound to Orange County and wasn’t hasn’t spent significant time out of service. However I reached out to American Airlines more than day ago about the incident and haven’t heard back. I will update this post if they respond.
It seems strange to me for American Airlines to make the decision to proceed with the flight without power in the cabin, no meals, no reclining premium seats. Every customer in a premium cabin should get their money back, since they did not receive the product that was sold to them (and if they were in business they they did not just buy “transportation from A to B”).
Delay the flight for a fix, or if not possible in a reasonable time announce to passengers:
We need to operate this aircraft to New York
As a courtesy we will permit you to travel in your assigned seat
However if you opt not to, this is essentially an involuntary denied boarding
We will provide you lodging and meals for the night as well as rebooking options
American Airlines A321T At New York JFK
American Airlines has flown New York to Chicago without a lavatory before but passengers knew in advance they’d have to hold it for the duration of the trip. (On a flight to Hawaii, American told passengers to go in a bottle when the lavatories became inoperable.)
On the other hand, an American flight from New York to London turned back when only four of the plane’s 12 lavatories went inoperative on the argument that passengers congregating for the remaining lavatories was becoming a security risk.
Apparently passengers on the Los Angeles – New York redeye did not receive any proactive apology message or compensation from the airline.
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https://viewfromthewing.com/no-lights-n ... -shut-off/
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/america ... 024-a.html
American Airlines reportedly sent a redeye flight from Los Angeles to New York on February 2 without working electrical systems. There was only emergency lighting in the cabin. Flight attendants couldn’t prepare food in the galley of the cross country flight, and business and first class seats didn’t have power so could not recline.
According to a passenger who reported on FlyerTalk.com that they were seated in first class seat 3F, “The cabin exit strips and the emergency light in toilets were illuminated [but] toilets did not flush.”
Cross country flight AA28, scheduled to depart at 10:47 p.m. and land at New York JFK at 7:00 a.m. the next morning, is operated by American’s premium Airbus A321T, a product that is beginning the process of being eliminated. It has coach, business class, and a Flagship First Class seat as well.
American Airlines A321T Flagship First Class
Passengers in Flagship First Class – something no other U.S. airline offers – were given “no food, 1 cocktail.” Flight attendants tried to perform service but their “flashlights were running out of power” as the flight progressed.
But the lack of food even in first and business class, and an inability to recline into the bed that American had promised to customers, was the least of passenger concerns: “Toilets were disgusting people were peeing in the sinks since they drain.” (I imagine those sinks looked like the ones on this Delhi flight.)
American Airlines A321T Business Class
I was somewhat skeptical of the story at first, because the aircraft in question appears to have spent less than two hours on the ground in New York before flying Westbound to Orange County and wasn’t hasn’t spent significant time out of service. However I reached out to American Airlines more than day ago about the incident and haven’t heard back. I will update this post if they respond.
It seems strange to me for American Airlines to make the decision to proceed with the flight without power in the cabin, no meals, no reclining premium seats. Every customer in a premium cabin should get their money back, since they did not receive the product that was sold to them (and if they were in business they they did not just buy “transportation from A to B”).
Delay the flight for a fix, or if not possible in a reasonable time announce to passengers:
We need to operate this aircraft to New York
As a courtesy we will permit you to travel in your assigned seat
However if you opt not to, this is essentially an involuntary denied boarding
We will provide you lodging and meals for the night as well as rebooking options
American Airlines A321T At New York JFK
American Airlines has flown New York to Chicago without a lavatory before but passengers knew in advance they’d have to hold it for the duration of the trip. (On a flight to Hawaii, American told passengers to go in a bottle when the lavatories became inoperable.)
On the other hand, an American flight from New York to London turned back when only four of the plane’s 12 lavatories went inoperative on the argument that passengers congregating for the remaining lavatories was becoming a security risk.
Apparently passengers on the Los Angeles – New York redeye did not receive any proactive apology message or compensation from the airline.
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Athletes frustrated after airline disassembled wheelchairs without knowledge: 'These are our legs'
The Suns' wheelchair team was flying to Virginia for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/a ... e-our-legs
Some athletes traveling to Richmond for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship are raising concerns about the conditions they said they got their wheelchairs back in after landing at the airport Wednesday night.
By: Maggi MarshallPosted at 2:32 PM, Apr 12, 2024 and last updated 2:32 PM, Apr 12, 2024
RICHMOND, VA — Some Arizona athletes for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship are raising concerns about the conditions they said they got their wheelchairs back in after landing at Virginia Wednesday night.
Athletes and their families flew into Richmond on a Southwest flight with a connection in Denver.
Family members said they were in disbelief when they got off the plane in Richmond to see their sports chairs disassembled and the parts mixed up with many other pieces on the jet bridge.
Myranda Shields, the team's social media manager, posted a video of the incident on Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5oPmQZu ... e0224d1ecd
In the video, players could be heard saying “these are our legs.” Shields said they had to wait on the plane for an extended period of time to reassemble the chairs because they couldn’t get off the plane without them.
She said it took so long because the airline dismantled the chairs without their knowledge, creating a disarray in trying to determine which parts belonged to which chairs.
They also say some of the chairs were damaged in the incident.
“It’s frustrating, sad, and disheartening. We are just trying to play a sport. We were holding back tears," Shields said. "It’s already frustrating and difficult to travel so when you add in those extra layers of employees not being nice, other passengers yelling at us it was straight chaos."
It is not uncommon for airlines to disassemble wheelchairs in order for them to fit in cargo space. However, according to the Department of Transportation, the chairs should be re-assembled by the time passengers exit the plane.
The team said they also took issue with how they said airline staff handled the situation.
They claim staff kept announcing to passengers on the plane that the delays and potential damage to luggage were because of the issue with the disassembled wheelchairs.
Bridgitte McIntee, the mother of one player said it was painful to watch the community go through it.
“To take a group of people that already feels like a burden to all of society, and then you put all of this on them? I was angry,” McIntee said.
Southwest Airlines tells our sister station WTVR in Richmond they have been made aware of the situation and are working to make it right. A spokesperson said they had been on monthly calls to prepare for this tournament.
They also said this incident was a breakdown of communication amongst staff who were trying to accommodate fitting everything on a smaller plane.
They said they are working to ensure this does not happen again and also added that moving forward, customers will be made aware if anything needs to be dissembled, and items will get properly tagged.
The athletes said they are putting the ball in Southwest Airlines court to create change so this doesn’t happen to other people.
They are now shifting their focus on winning the national championship this weekend.
“I’m excited to get after it so I can turn my brain off and not think about the last 24 hours. The opportunity to live out dreams we thought were taken away,” said Suns player, Justin Walker.
Airport officials in Richmond said they remain committed to making the airport experience as hospitable as possible for the athletes and families coming in.
They were the organization that set up calls with the host and airlines to help prepare and create the best experience.
Officials add nearly all of its airport staff completed disability awareness and inclusion training before the event. They remain committed to working with their airline partners to make everyone welcome.
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The Suns' wheelchair team was flying to Virginia for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/a ... e-our-legs
Some athletes traveling to Richmond for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship are raising concerns about the conditions they said they got their wheelchairs back in after landing at the airport Wednesday night.
By: Maggi MarshallPosted at 2:32 PM, Apr 12, 2024 and last updated 2:32 PM, Apr 12, 2024
RICHMOND, VA — Some Arizona athletes for the National Wheelchair Basketball Championship are raising concerns about the conditions they said they got their wheelchairs back in after landing at Virginia Wednesday night.
Athletes and their families flew into Richmond on a Southwest flight with a connection in Denver.
Family members said they were in disbelief when they got off the plane in Richmond to see their sports chairs disassembled and the parts mixed up with many other pieces on the jet bridge.
Myranda Shields, the team's social media manager, posted a video of the incident on Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5oPmQZu ... e0224d1ecd
In the video, players could be heard saying “these are our legs.” Shields said they had to wait on the plane for an extended period of time to reassemble the chairs because they couldn’t get off the plane without them.
She said it took so long because the airline dismantled the chairs without their knowledge, creating a disarray in trying to determine which parts belonged to which chairs.
They also say some of the chairs were damaged in the incident.
“It’s frustrating, sad, and disheartening. We are just trying to play a sport. We were holding back tears," Shields said. "It’s already frustrating and difficult to travel so when you add in those extra layers of employees not being nice, other passengers yelling at us it was straight chaos."
It is not uncommon for airlines to disassemble wheelchairs in order for them to fit in cargo space. However, according to the Department of Transportation, the chairs should be re-assembled by the time passengers exit the plane.
The team said they also took issue with how they said airline staff handled the situation.
They claim staff kept announcing to passengers on the plane that the delays and potential damage to luggage were because of the issue with the disassembled wheelchairs.
Bridgitte McIntee, the mother of one player said it was painful to watch the community go through it.
“To take a group of people that already feels like a burden to all of society, and then you put all of this on them? I was angry,” McIntee said.
Southwest Airlines tells our sister station WTVR in Richmond they have been made aware of the situation and are working to make it right. A spokesperson said they had been on monthly calls to prepare for this tournament.
They also said this incident was a breakdown of communication amongst staff who were trying to accommodate fitting everything on a smaller plane.
They said they are working to ensure this does not happen again and also added that moving forward, customers will be made aware if anything needs to be dissembled, and items will get properly tagged.
The athletes said they are putting the ball in Southwest Airlines court to create change so this doesn’t happen to other people.
They are now shifting their focus on winning the national championship this weekend.
“I’m excited to get after it so I can turn my brain off and not think about the last 24 hours. The opportunity to live out dreams we thought were taken away,” said Suns player, Justin Walker.
Airport officials in Richmond said they remain committed to making the airport experience as hospitable as possible for the athletes and families coming in.
They were the organization that set up calls with the host and airlines to help prepare and create the best experience.
Officials add nearly all of its airport staff completed disability awareness and inclusion training before the event. They remain committed to working with their airline partners to make everyone welcome.
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Australia’s Qantas to pay $79 million to settle ‘ghost flights’ case
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/business ... index.html
Sydney — Qantas Airways has agreed to pay 120 million Australian dollars ($79 million) to settle a lawsuit over the sale of thousands of tickets on already canceled flights, in an attempt to end a reputational crisis that has engulfed the airline.
The company will split 20 million Australian dollars between more than 86,000 customers who booked tickets on the so-called “ghost flights” and pay a fine of 100 million instead of defending the lawsuit it had previously vowed to fight, Qantas and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) said on Monday.
The fine is the biggest ever for an Australian airline and among the largest globally in the sector, although some Australian banks and casino operators have faced higher penalties.
“We recognize Qantas let down customers and fell short of our own standards,” CEO Vanessa Hudson said in a statement.
The settlement “means we can compensate affected customers much sooner than if the case had continued in the Federal Court,” added Hudson, noting the court still must sign off on the settlement.
If the court approves, the settlement will resolve a dispute that featured prominently at a time when Qantas’s brand value tanked in consumer surveys amid a spike in complaints about cancellations.
After the ACCC filed its lawsuit last August, Hudson’s longserving predecessor, Alan Joyce, brought forward his retirement. Hudson became CEO in September.
“This penalty … will send a strong deterrence message to other companies,” ACCC Chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb said in a statement.
The payout, however, would pale against the net profit of 1.47 billion Australian dollars that analysts on average forecast Qantas to report in the year to end-June, according to LSEG data.
People who bought tickets on non-existent domestic flights would get $225 and people with international fares would get $450, on top of a refund, the airline and regulator said.
The ACCC lawsuit centered on the months after Australia’s border reopened in 2022 following two years of Covid restrictions, and airline cancellations and lost luggage complaints spiked globally amid staffing shortages.
Qantas had argued that it faced similar challenges to airlines around the world, but the ACCC said its actions broke consumer law. It had said the airline sometimes sold tickets to flights weeks after they were canceled.
The ACCC’s Cass-Gottlieb noted that the settlement included a promise from Qantas not to repeat the conduct.
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/business ... index.html
Sydney — Qantas Airways has agreed to pay 120 million Australian dollars ($79 million) to settle a lawsuit over the sale of thousands of tickets on already canceled flights, in an attempt to end a reputational crisis that has engulfed the airline.
The company will split 20 million Australian dollars between more than 86,000 customers who booked tickets on the so-called “ghost flights” and pay a fine of 100 million instead of defending the lawsuit it had previously vowed to fight, Qantas and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) said on Monday.
The fine is the biggest ever for an Australian airline and among the largest globally in the sector, although some Australian banks and casino operators have faced higher penalties.
“We recognize Qantas let down customers and fell short of our own standards,” CEO Vanessa Hudson said in a statement.
The settlement “means we can compensate affected customers much sooner than if the case had continued in the Federal Court,” added Hudson, noting the court still must sign off on the settlement.
If the court approves, the settlement will resolve a dispute that featured prominently at a time when Qantas’s brand value tanked in consumer surveys amid a spike in complaints about cancellations.
After the ACCC filed its lawsuit last August, Hudson’s longserving predecessor, Alan Joyce, brought forward his retirement. Hudson became CEO in September.
“This penalty … will send a strong deterrence message to other companies,” ACCC Chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb said in a statement.
The payout, however, would pale against the net profit of 1.47 billion Australian dollars that analysts on average forecast Qantas to report in the year to end-June, according to LSEG data.
People who bought tickets on non-existent domestic flights would get $225 and people with international fares would get $450, on top of a refund, the airline and regulator said.
The ACCC lawsuit centered on the months after Australia’s border reopened in 2022 following two years of Covid restrictions, and airline cancellations and lost luggage complaints spiked globally amid staffing shortages.
Qantas had argued that it faced similar challenges to airlines around the world, but the ACCC said its actions broke consumer law. It had said the airline sometimes sold tickets to flights weeks after they were canceled.
The ACCC’s Cass-Gottlieb noted that the settlement included a promise from Qantas not to repeat the conduct.
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American Airlines Award Map Glitch: Fly To ‘Retardville’ And ‘Allahu Akbar’ 
https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... ahu-akbar/
The American Airlines award map shows where you can fly based on a starting city and number of available miles that you specify. It’s a tool that’s been around for about a dozen years, and is useful if you want to see where you can go (for example) for 6,500 miles in coach.
When you search for flights you’ll see a map of available cities including some interesting destinations,
Retardville (Los Angeles)
Penis (Paris)
Allahu Akbar (London
Pittsburgh was also ‘faeces,’ a “missed opportunity to write faeces.”
It seems that American Airlines didn’t license a map for this tool, and is instead pulling OpenStreetMap tiles. OpenStreetMap is a user-edited tool like Wikipedia and anyone can update, fix, or… vandalize it. Someone keeps changing city names, and other users revert them, in an ongoing battle.
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https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... ahu-akbar/
The American Airlines award map shows where you can fly based on a starting city and number of available miles that you specify. It’s a tool that’s been around for about a dozen years, and is useful if you want to see where you can go (for example) for 6,500 miles in coach.
When you search for flights you’ll see a map of available cities including some interesting destinations,
Retardville (Los Angeles)
Penis (Paris)
Allahu Akbar (London
Pittsburgh was also ‘faeces,’ a “missed opportunity to write faeces.”
It seems that American Airlines didn’t license a map for this tool, and is instead pulling OpenStreetMap tiles. OpenStreetMap is a user-edited tool like Wikipedia and anyone can update, fix, or… vandalize it. Someone keeps changing city names, and other users revert them, in an ongoing battle.
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American Airlines ‘outrageously’ suggests girl, 9, to blame after creepy flight attendant records her in bathroom
https://nypost.com/2024/05/21/us-news/a ... ding-suit/
A lawyer representing American Airlines has shockingly claimed a 9-year-old girl who’s suing the company should’ve known she was being videotaped by a creepy flight attendant while using a plane bathroom.
The airline’s attorneys made the “outrageous” suggestion in legal papers filed Monday as part of an ongoing lawsuit the girl’s family brought against the company last year, the child’s lawyer said.
Estes Carter Thompson III, 37, was arrested for allegedly secretly filming multiple girls between the ages of 7 and 14 over several months last year, according to federal prosecutors.
American Airlines wrote in Monday’s legal filing that the young girl should have been aware that a device was recording her as she used the lavatory.
“Any injuries or illnesses alleged to have been sustained by Plaintiff, Mary Doe, were proximately caused by Plaintiff’s own fault and negligence, were proximately caused by Plaintiff’s use of the compromised lavatory, which she knew or should have known contained a visible and illuminated recording device,” according to one of the various legal defenses offered by American Airlines’ lawyers.
The family of the girl is “absolutely livid” with the airline’s latest legal move, said their lawyer Paul Llewellyn.
“I was absolutely shocked and I think it’s outrageous,” Llewellyn told The Post. “The idea that American Airlines and its lawyers would blame a 9-year-old girl for being filmed, in my opinion, just smacks of desperation and depravity.
“What on Earth is American Airlines thinking by adopting such a strategy?”
One Wednesday, American blamed “outside legal counsel” and said it would walk back the claim.
“The included defense is not representative of our airline and we have directed it be amended this morning,” the airline told The Post in a statement.
“We do not believe this child is at fault and we take the allegations involving a former team member very seriously.”
After its flight crew member’s arrest, American Airlines said it takes “these allegations very seriously.”
The airline is under fire following the legal papers its legal team filed.
The 9-year-old’s family, who live in Texas, filed the lawsuit in February more than a year after she was allegedly recorded on a January 2023 flight to Los Angeles.
Thompson was arrested and charged by federal agents in January after the sick allegations came to light when a North Carolina 14-year-old girl on a separate flight noticed an iPhone was recording her after she just wrapped up in the plane’s bathroom in September 2023.
She snapped a photo of the shocking setup before leaving the lavatory.
Llewellyn said Tuesday that American Airlines didn’t suggest the North Carolina teen was culpable in a separate and ongoing lawsuit against the airline that was first filed in December.
Thompson pleaded not guilty during his arraignment in Massachusetts federal court Monday to charges of attempted sexual exploitation of children and possession of child pornography depicting a prepubescent minor, the Boston Herald reported.
Authorities found at least four instances of Thompson recording a minor while the child used the bathroom, federal prosecutors said.
In the legal brief filed Monday, American Airlines also blamed Thompson, claiming his alleged actions happened “outside the course and scope of his employment.”
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https://nypost.com/2024/05/21/us-news/a ... ding-suit/
A lawyer representing American Airlines has shockingly claimed a 9-year-old girl who’s suing the company should’ve known she was being videotaped by a creepy flight attendant while using a plane bathroom.
The airline’s attorneys made the “outrageous” suggestion in legal papers filed Monday as part of an ongoing lawsuit the girl’s family brought against the company last year, the child’s lawyer said.
Estes Carter Thompson III, 37, was arrested for allegedly secretly filming multiple girls between the ages of 7 and 14 over several months last year, according to federal prosecutors.
American Airlines wrote in Monday’s legal filing that the young girl should have been aware that a device was recording her as she used the lavatory.
“Any injuries or illnesses alleged to have been sustained by Plaintiff, Mary Doe, were proximately caused by Plaintiff’s own fault and negligence, were proximately caused by Plaintiff’s use of the compromised lavatory, which she knew or should have known contained a visible and illuminated recording device,” according to one of the various legal defenses offered by American Airlines’ lawyers.
The family of the girl is “absolutely livid” with the airline’s latest legal move, said their lawyer Paul Llewellyn.
“I was absolutely shocked and I think it’s outrageous,” Llewellyn told The Post. “The idea that American Airlines and its lawyers would blame a 9-year-old girl for being filmed, in my opinion, just smacks of desperation and depravity.
“What on Earth is American Airlines thinking by adopting such a strategy?”
One Wednesday, American blamed “outside legal counsel” and said it would walk back the claim.
“The included defense is not representative of our airline and we have directed it be amended this morning,” the airline told The Post in a statement.
“We do not believe this child is at fault and we take the allegations involving a former team member very seriously.”
After its flight crew member’s arrest, American Airlines said it takes “these allegations very seriously.”
The airline is under fire following the legal papers its legal team filed.
The 9-year-old’s family, who live in Texas, filed the lawsuit in February more than a year after she was allegedly recorded on a January 2023 flight to Los Angeles.
Thompson was arrested and charged by federal agents in January after the sick allegations came to light when a North Carolina 14-year-old girl on a separate flight noticed an iPhone was recording her after she just wrapped up in the plane’s bathroom in September 2023.
She snapped a photo of the shocking setup before leaving the lavatory.
Llewellyn said Tuesday that American Airlines didn’t suggest the North Carolina teen was culpable in a separate and ongoing lawsuit against the airline that was first filed in December.
Thompson pleaded not guilty during his arraignment in Massachusetts federal court Monday to charges of attempted sexual exploitation of children and possession of child pornography depicting a prepubescent minor, the Boston Herald reported.
Authorities found at least four instances of Thompson recording a minor while the child used the bathroom, federal prosecutors said.
In the legal brief filed Monday, American Airlines also blamed Thompson, claiming his alleged actions happened “outside the course and scope of his employment.”
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American Airlines backtracks on filing that blamed 9-year-old for being filmed in bathroom
https://abcnews.go.com/US/american-airl ... =110466927
One day after lawyers for American Airlines argued a 9-year-old child acted negligently when she was recorded by a hidden camera in an airplane lavatory, the airline is backpedaling that defense.
FBI agents knocked on the 9-year-old's family home almost a year after the alleged incident in January 2023 to inform her parents that videos of the child were found on a phone belonging to a former flight attendant who is currently in custody.
The airline on Wednesday said in a statement about the filing, "Our outside legal counsel retained with our insurance company made an error in this filing. The included defense is not representative of our airline and we have directed it be amended this morning. We do not believe this child is at fault and we take the allegations involving a former team member very seriously. Our core mission is to care for people — and the foundation of that is the safety and security of our customers and team."
The court filing was submitted on behalf of American Airlines on Tuesday in response to a civil lawsuit filed by the 9-year-old's parents in Texas District Court against the airline and the flight attendant, Estes Carter Thompson III, who allegedly recorded the child.
The filing, which generally denies the allegations and raises several affirmative defenses, including contributory negligence, states, "Defendant would show that any injuries or illnesses alleged to have been sustained by Plaintiff, Mary Doe, were proximately caused by Plaintiff's own fault and negligence, were proximately caused by Plaintiff's use of the compromised lavatory, which she knew or should have known contained a visible and illuminated recording device."
The lawsuit was filed by Mary Doe's parents, alleging that Thompson secretly filmed their 9-year-old daughter in the airplane's lavatory on a flight to Los Angeles in January 2023.
Thompson is currently in federal custody after being charged with one count of attempted sexual exploitation of children and one count of possession of images of child sexual abuse depicting a prepubescent minor. He was arrested after a 14-year-old passenger on another flight discovered Thompson's hidden phone in the plane lavatory. Police said Thompson allegedly possessed recordings of four additional minor female passengers who used bathrooms aboard the same aircraft. One of those recordings was allegedly of Mary Doe. Thompson has pleaded not guilty.
Reacting to the airline's filing Tuesday, Jane Doe, mother of Mary Doe, said, "Instead of taking responsibility for this awful event, American Airlines is actually blaming our daughter for being filmed.
"How in good conscience could they even make such a suggestion? It both shocks and angers us. American Airlines has no shame," the mother added.
Responding to American Airlines backtracking on their court filing, Paul Llewellyn, a lawyer representing the family of the 9-year-old girl, said Wednesday, "American Airlines has clearly faced intense media and public backlash over their blaming of a 9 year old for being filmed. To claim that they filed the "wrong" [answer] is simply not credible. But the bell cannot be unwrung. They should never have taken such a position in the first place."
Llewellyn said the airline did not reach out to the family after the recording was discovered.
Representatives for American Airlines did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the attorney's claim that the airline did not reach out to the family.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/american-airl ... =110466927
One day after lawyers for American Airlines argued a 9-year-old child acted negligently when she was recorded by a hidden camera in an airplane lavatory, the airline is backpedaling that defense.
FBI agents knocked on the 9-year-old's family home almost a year after the alleged incident in January 2023 to inform her parents that videos of the child were found on a phone belonging to a former flight attendant who is currently in custody.
The airline on Wednesday said in a statement about the filing, "Our outside legal counsel retained with our insurance company made an error in this filing. The included defense is not representative of our airline and we have directed it be amended this morning. We do not believe this child is at fault and we take the allegations involving a former team member very seriously. Our core mission is to care for people — and the foundation of that is the safety and security of our customers and team."
The court filing was submitted on behalf of American Airlines on Tuesday in response to a civil lawsuit filed by the 9-year-old's parents in Texas District Court against the airline and the flight attendant, Estes Carter Thompson III, who allegedly recorded the child.
The filing, which generally denies the allegations and raises several affirmative defenses, including contributory negligence, states, "Defendant would show that any injuries or illnesses alleged to have been sustained by Plaintiff, Mary Doe, were proximately caused by Plaintiff's own fault and negligence, were proximately caused by Plaintiff's use of the compromised lavatory, which she knew or should have known contained a visible and illuminated recording device."
The lawsuit was filed by Mary Doe's parents, alleging that Thompson secretly filmed their 9-year-old daughter in the airplane's lavatory on a flight to Los Angeles in January 2023.
Thompson is currently in federal custody after being charged with one count of attempted sexual exploitation of children and one count of possession of images of child sexual abuse depicting a prepubescent minor. He was arrested after a 14-year-old passenger on another flight discovered Thompson's hidden phone in the plane lavatory. Police said Thompson allegedly possessed recordings of four additional minor female passengers who used bathrooms aboard the same aircraft. One of those recordings was allegedly of Mary Doe. Thompson has pleaded not guilty.
Reacting to the airline's filing Tuesday, Jane Doe, mother of Mary Doe, said, "Instead of taking responsibility for this awful event, American Airlines is actually blaming our daughter for being filmed.
"How in good conscience could they even make such a suggestion? It both shocks and angers us. American Airlines has no shame," the mother added.
Responding to American Airlines backtracking on their court filing, Paul Llewellyn, a lawyer representing the family of the 9-year-old girl, said Wednesday, "American Airlines has clearly faced intense media and public backlash over their blaming of a 9 year old for being filmed. To claim that they filed the "wrong" [answer] is simply not credible. But the bell cannot be unwrung. They should never have taken such a position in the first place."
Llewellyn said the airline did not reach out to the family after the recording was discovered.
Representatives for American Airlines did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the attorney's claim that the airline did not reach out to the family.
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I think if I was on a jury presented with that, I'd be inclined to recommend any damages awarded be doubled or tripled.
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The AA Google news search page(s) are full of articles from across the country and around the world on both the initial article and the attempted face-saving retraction.
I don't think there is anything that they can say to dig themselves out of this PR nightmare.
Even though they threw the insurance company's lawyers under the landing gear, the lack of oversight from corporate legal department should result in someone's firing if not sanctions from the Bar Association.
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I don't think there is anything that they can say to dig themselves out of this PR nightmare.
Even though they threw the insurance company's lawyers under the landing gear, the lack of oversight from corporate legal department should result in someone's firing if not sanctions from the Bar Association.
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You seem to be assuming that corporate legal would have done something different.
And your evidence for there actually being decent, honest lawyers is.....?
Indeed, perhaps the reason the airline uses insurance lawyers and corporate legal doesn't do oversight is precisely so they have deniability for immoral practices.
Air Canada lies all the time about the reasons for delays and cancellations; they did it to my mum, and me twice, last year.
And your evidence for there actually being decent, honest lawyers is.....?
Indeed, perhaps the reason the airline uses insurance lawyers and corporate legal doesn't do oversight is precisely so they have deniability for immoral practices.
Air Canada lies all the time about the reasons for delays and cancellations; they did it to my mum, and me twice, last year.
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American Airlines Bans Lesbian Woman, Accuses Her Of Sex With Man
https://onemileatatime.com/news/america ... ian-woman/
No, this isn’t some clickbait story about people joining the mile high club. Instead, it’s a story of a woman who was (seemingly) incorrectly accused of raunchy inflight behavior, leading to her being banned by the airline.
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What exactly went wrong here?
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American (incorrectly?) puts woman on no fly list
There’s a video going viral on TikTok, about how a 24-year-old woman was placed on American Airlines’ no fly list. She had no clue why she was banned by the Fort Worth-based airline, but later found out it was because she was accused of having sex with a man inflight while intoxicated.
This is quite the story, so let me summarize the details:
In June, this woman was supposed to fly to New Orleans (MSY) for her sister’s bachelorette party, and when she went to check-in online, she got an error message
When she arrived at the airport, she approached an American agent, who also received an error message while trying to check her in; after the agent made a phone call, she informed the traveler that she had actually been put on the carrier’s no fly list, but she couldn’t tell her why
This caught the woman by surprise, because she claimed she had never done anything questionable with the airline, and had never been informed of this ban; she asked the agent why she was banned, and was told that she couldn’t say why, but that she “should know why”
The American agent told the woman to call customer service, so she did that, but was told she needed to contact customer relations by email
At this point she had missed her flight, so she booked a separate $1,000 roundtrip ticket on another airline, in addition to the $400 ticket she had already booked on American
While waiting for eight hours at the airport for her next flight, she sent an email to customer relations explaining that she didn’t understand why she was banned
Some time later, she heard back from customer relations, and was told that corporate security would reach out to her; 12 days after the planned flight, corporate security informed her that she has been banned from American for having sexual relations with a man on a flight while intoxicated
She then emailed back corporate security explaining that this was a misunderstanding, and that she never did what she was accused of
Corporate security requested she write an appeal, to explain exactly why she didn’t do what she was accused of; she responded humorously that “I don’t know how to prove it wasn’t me, except for the fact that I’m literally a lesbian”
After a couple of months nothing was resolved, but then the woman’s mother sent an email to the “law department” at American, and two days later she got a call from someone informing her that her case had been reviewed, and that it most likely wasn’t her, so she was conditionally taken off the no fly list
While American ended up refunding the woman’s $400 ticket (which she wasn’t able to take due to the ban), the airline refused to compensate her for the amount she spent to buy a more expensive ticket on another airline
You can watch the TikTok for yourself below.
https://v16m-default.tiktokcdn-us.com/b ... =e00098000
While American still hasn’t made this woman whole, there is a silver lining. The woman made a follow-up video, explaining that the ad revenue from the initial video has now surpassed $1,000. That’s at least good, since the added expense of buying a new ticket was putting a strain on her finances.
https://v16m-default.tiktokcdn-us.com/3 ... =e00090000
What exactly went wrong here?
There’s no denying that this is a strange story, and one has to wonder what exactly happened here that caused this. Here’s my take on this situation:
This woman’s version of events comes across as genuine; after all, the issue was eventually resolved, with her being removed from the carrier’s no fly list
The woman has a pretty common name (Erin Wright), so I can’t help but wonder if she was maybe accidentally mixed up with someone else? When airlines put someone on the no fly list it should be based on more than just the first or last name, but rather it should use additional details, like date of birth
If this was in fact a mistake, this really demonstrates how much people can end up being the victim of a mix-up, and how one-sided contracts are with airlines; she had to purchase a ticket that was way more expensive than what she initially booked, even though she did nothing wrong
While I’m supportive of airlines putting people on the no fly list for inappropriate behavior, this also has to be done carefully, to avoid situations like this; it’s bad enough that the mistake happened in the first place, but it’s even worse that it took months for this to be resolved, and for the airline to admit a mistake
Proving the absence of having done something, especially when you’re not told exactly when and where you did something, sure isn’t easy; of course in this situation, the funny part is that this woman is a lesbian, and is accused of having sex with a man on a plane
I think it’s worth drawing attention to this story because American should do the right thing, and compensate her for the ticket she had to book on another airline.
Bottom line
American Airlines placed a woman on its no fly list, which she found out the hard way, while trying to check-in for a flight. She had no clue why she was banned, and it took quite some time before corporate security told her what she reportedly did — having sex with a man inflight while intoxicated.
However, this woman insists this story isn’t true, and American ultimately listened to her appeal, and unbanned her. She still hasn’t been compensated for the much more expensive ticket that she had to book due to this apparent mixup.
What do you make of this American Airlines no fly list story?
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https://onemileatatime.com/news/america ... ian-woman/
No, this isn’t some clickbait story about people joining the mile high club. Instead, it’s a story of a woman who was (seemingly) incorrectly accused of raunchy inflight behavior, leading to her being banned by the airline.
In this post:
American (incorrectly?) puts woman on no fly list
What exactly went wrong here?
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American (incorrectly?) puts woman on no fly list
There’s a video going viral on TikTok, about how a 24-year-old woman was placed on American Airlines’ no fly list. She had no clue why she was banned by the Fort Worth-based airline, but later found out it was because she was accused of having sex with a man inflight while intoxicated.
This is quite the story, so let me summarize the details:
In June, this woman was supposed to fly to New Orleans (MSY) for her sister’s bachelorette party, and when she went to check-in online, she got an error message
When she arrived at the airport, she approached an American agent, who also received an error message while trying to check her in; after the agent made a phone call, she informed the traveler that she had actually been put on the carrier’s no fly list, but she couldn’t tell her why
This caught the woman by surprise, because she claimed she had never done anything questionable with the airline, and had never been informed of this ban; she asked the agent why she was banned, and was told that she couldn’t say why, but that she “should know why”
The American agent told the woman to call customer service, so she did that, but was told she needed to contact customer relations by email
At this point she had missed her flight, so she booked a separate $1,000 roundtrip ticket on another airline, in addition to the $400 ticket she had already booked on American
While waiting for eight hours at the airport for her next flight, she sent an email to customer relations explaining that she didn’t understand why she was banned
Some time later, she heard back from customer relations, and was told that corporate security would reach out to her; 12 days after the planned flight, corporate security informed her that she has been banned from American for having sexual relations with a man on a flight while intoxicated
She then emailed back corporate security explaining that this was a misunderstanding, and that she never did what she was accused of
Corporate security requested she write an appeal, to explain exactly why she didn’t do what she was accused of; she responded humorously that “I don’t know how to prove it wasn’t me, except for the fact that I’m literally a lesbian”
After a couple of months nothing was resolved, but then the woman’s mother sent an email to the “law department” at American, and two days later she got a call from someone informing her that her case had been reviewed, and that it most likely wasn’t her, so she was conditionally taken off the no fly list
While American ended up refunding the woman’s $400 ticket (which she wasn’t able to take due to the ban), the airline refused to compensate her for the amount she spent to buy a more expensive ticket on another airline
You can watch the TikTok for yourself below.
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While American still hasn’t made this woman whole, there is a silver lining. The woman made a follow-up video, explaining that the ad revenue from the initial video has now surpassed $1,000. That’s at least good, since the added expense of buying a new ticket was putting a strain on her finances.
https://v16m-default.tiktokcdn-us.com/3 ... =e00090000
What exactly went wrong here?
There’s no denying that this is a strange story, and one has to wonder what exactly happened here that caused this. Here’s my take on this situation:
This woman’s version of events comes across as genuine; after all, the issue was eventually resolved, with her being removed from the carrier’s no fly list
The woman has a pretty common name (Erin Wright), so I can’t help but wonder if she was maybe accidentally mixed up with someone else? When airlines put someone on the no fly list it should be based on more than just the first or last name, but rather it should use additional details, like date of birth
If this was in fact a mistake, this really demonstrates how much people can end up being the victim of a mix-up, and how one-sided contracts are with airlines; she had to purchase a ticket that was way more expensive than what she initially booked, even though she did nothing wrong
While I’m supportive of airlines putting people on the no fly list for inappropriate behavior, this also has to be done carefully, to avoid situations like this; it’s bad enough that the mistake happened in the first place, but it’s even worse that it took months for this to be resolved, and for the airline to admit a mistake
Proving the absence of having done something, especially when you’re not told exactly when and where you did something, sure isn’t easy; of course in this situation, the funny part is that this woman is a lesbian, and is accused of having sex with a man on a plane
I think it’s worth drawing attention to this story because American should do the right thing, and compensate her for the ticket she had to book on another airline.
Bottom line
American Airlines placed a woman on its no fly list, which she found out the hard way, while trying to check-in for a flight. She had no clue why she was banned, and it took quite some time before corporate security told her what she reportedly did — having sex with a man inflight while intoxicated.
However, this woman insists this story isn’t true, and American ultimately listened to her appeal, and unbanned her. She still hasn’t been compensated for the much more expensive ticket that she had to book due to this apparent mixup.
What do you make of this American Airlines no fly list story?
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Re the name mix-up. Some years ago, I booked a ticket MAN-HKT on TuI. This was in the days before internet booking, and despite having taken my passport to their travel office, they entered my name into their system incorrectly. I was unaware of this until they issued the ticket, but having received it, I called them to say that they had spelt my name wrong. They re-issued the ticket, and I boarded the flight. As the doors closed I realised there was no-one sitting next to me on what was a very full flight. Once the meal service had finished, I wandered up the galley and asked them who was supposed to be sitting next to me. They checked the list and said, "Oh, he was a no-show." I saw the name for the seat next to mine, and it was my surname spelt Llyod, the original mistake they had made on the ticket. I told them the story, and they shook their heads in disbelief.
Since it was a 767, I had two seats to myself on the way out. Ten days later on the return flight - guess what? Two seats to myself
Since it was a 767, I had two seats to myself on the way out. Ten days later on the return flight - guess what? Two seats to myself
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When it's clearly their error that caused her to incur extra expense, they should be held liable for the difference. The UK has a nice bit of legislation called the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 (amongst others) which addresses things like that. The US does allow very one-sided contracts where they can disclaim all liability even for their own negligence, whereas the UK pretty much says you can't wriggle out of a negligence claim, and then adds a bit more on top too. In some cases it means you can sign a contract knowing it's unenforceable from the company side - a lot of anti-competitive clauses fall foul of it too.