Impact of coronavirus on aviation industry.

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#301 Post by Boac » Sat May 23, 2020 8:09 am

Anybody watch UK Channel 4 news last night? That non-reflective idiot 'Krishnan'?? was totally out of his depth in an interview with MoL. Much as I dislike MoL I was most impressed with the way he handled the nonsense from idiot chops.

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#302 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat May 23, 2020 8:29 am

Didn't MOL used to post at TOP as Leo Hairy Camel? A very lucid and articulate poster.

Despite the fact that MOL is an atrocious human being, he is clearly a very intelligent and successful bastard.
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#303 Post by barkingmad » Sat May 23, 2020 9:32 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:29 am
Didn't MOL used to post at TOP as Leo Hairy Camel? A very lucid and articulate poster.

Despite the fact that MOL is an atrocious human being, he is clearly a very intelligent and successful bastard.
Question. Does M O’L qualify as one of the delightful creatures depicted in this book and subsequent film?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108 ... orporation

There’s no doubt he has revolutionised lo-co air travel in Europe, reuniting Oirish sons with their mammies and much more besides?
However, I wonder would he describe his operation as a social service for ordinary peasants or a highly successful money-making enterprise, until Covid-19 shafted everybody?
Or should I say, until the panic-stricken government(s) reaction shafted everybody... :-?

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#304 Post by Woody » Sat May 23, 2020 9:56 am

Copied from the BA Betrayal book of faces
Last year each staff member generated £45,714 in pure profit

Just let that sink in.

That’s after they generated enough to pay the fuel bill, the wages, the property, the aircraft, the vehicles, the advertising, taxes, NI contributions, all ancillary costs, fat bonus’ for the top table, and even the massive fines levied.

Frankly I think it’s pretty good.

We aren’t a drain on the company, we are the engine driving the profits.

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#305 Post by ian16th » Sat May 23, 2020 12:27 pm

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#307 Post by Woody » Sat May 23, 2020 1:52 pm

Latest from Unite on the BA situation X(
Unite ‘Leverage’ Campaign visits corporate client’s HQs
Dear Unite Member,
Every single employee within British Airways is understandably frightened. It would be impossible not to be. The company has told everyone, that you will either be made redundant or have your pay and terms and conditions cut. Thousands of careers, dreams, aspirations and lives are literally on hold.
Everyone wants and needs certainty and currently there is none. What that certainty means is different to each of us but essentially the certainty people desperately need, is that they will still have a job and preferably the same job. This environment has not happened by accident, it was deliberately created by British Airways, to encourage an atmosphere where everyone is desperate to be spared, relived that they chose someone else, or other area to be sacked or closed down and willing to accept anything to keep their job.
It’s brutal, immoral but effective.
“Consultation” is a word that has now become a part of our everyday language, in much the same way that the term “furlough” has been introduced to our vocabulary. But it is as far removed from some mysterious and civilised process that will somehow make all of this go away, as it is possible to be. It will not, it simply means the company will discuss their intentions with the unions, that’s it, no more than that and this is something they have already done, at the highest level possible.
These discussions were held this week between Alex Cruz and Unite General secretary Len McCluskey.

Mr Cruz simply sought the unions endorsement of his actions, our General Secretary refused to do so. The subsequent announcement of a leverage campaign is no longer a choice, there is simply is no other option.
British Airways has worked hard over the past weeks to spread a misconception that if Unite do not assist them in their sham ‘Consultation’, before the 15th of June, then everyone will be made redundant, when in fact the opposite is true. If British Airways is able to show evidence they have ‘Consulted’ with their staff before this date, then they will have overcome the legal obstacles necessary to terminate their employees, as they will have ticked their legal obligation to consult box. Remember, 45 days is the minimum number of days allowed under law, not the maximum and in Alex Cruz’s own words “it is not a deadline or a target”.
Our legal position is clear and remains the same: what BA are doing is unlawful and will be challenged in every jurisdiction we can challenge it and we will. Both in the United Kingdom and in Spain. As such we will not coalesce in unlawful conduct. Neither will we be part of what we see as morally fraudulent use of government monies that are for Job Retention and not redundancy and restructuring.
Alex Cruz is adamant he will be making the numbers specified in the 12 section 188’s issued redundant, by dismissing virtually the entire workforce and then invite applications for the jobs that remain.
Those with an acceptable attendance, sickness and performance record will then be eligible to apply for an assessment for a new position, if you are unsuccessful at assessment you will be made redundant. There is a misconception, that this will somehow only affect older or higher earning staff, this is simply not true. Fire and re-hire redundancies will impact every group and every demographic, no area or group will be spared.
The nuclear button has been pushed and British Airways have simply drawn up a plan for the airline to effectively start again form year zero, sat back and invited the trade union to somehow endorse their intentions by “consulting” with them on who and how to dismiss 12,000 people.
If you ask for us to consult over you being made redundant, we can do that right now but if you want us to agree to somebody else being made redundant instead – and if all that is being asked is to decide who is to be made redundant, we can’t and won’t do that.
We must instead utilise the options available, help us to shape public opinion and spread the story of our plight in any way you can. The campaign needs you, please pay your part, give your time and energy and help us to help you. If you are unable to do that due to circumstance, then at least support your local area reps in the fight to save your job.
This is a really tough message to deliver but this is what is at stake and we have no choice but to be honest, there are no easy options for anyone going forward, the coming weeks are going to get tougher. That is why, every single one of us needs to play our part now, not tomorrow or next week but now or it will be too late.
When we “consult” it won’t be on our knees... In solidarity,
Howard Beckett
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#308 Post by Capetonian » Sat May 23, 2020 1:59 pm

Despite the fact that MOL is an atrocious human being, he is clearly a very intelligent and successful bastard
Given the choice of spending an hour in a pub with Michael O'Leary, quick witted, incisive, and smart, and that cold charmless fat Dago waiter who has wrecked British Airways, I know what my choice would be.

Which airline has been more successful and profitable, and had the higher load factors, and carried more passengers?

Much as I hate trade unions, I hate Alex Cruz and his despicable treatment of his staff even more. Power to Unite!

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#309 Post by Ibbie » Sat May 23, 2020 2:03 pm

....and now Spain has announced international tourists are allowed back in the Country from 1st July.

Boris and his pal Ugli are going to have to rethink their quarantine plans. The French have already retaliated with a tit-for-tat quarantine on UK citizens entering France.

To keep quarantine in place after 30th June is pure folly and toatally detremental to the Aviation and Holiday sectors.

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#310 Post by ribrash » Sat May 23, 2020 3:01 pm

What would BA do if no one applied for these positions ? Make the whole work force redundant ? Surely that would piss on fatty,s chips.

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#311 Post by Undried Plum » Sat May 23, 2020 3:07 pm

Ibbie wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:03 pm
To keep quarantine in place after 30th June is pure folly and totally detremental to the Aviation and Holiday sectors.
Instead, let's have ranks and rows of petrie dishes strung out along the Costa del Scorchio.

That'll be nice, won't it, boys and girls?

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#312 Post by Woody » Sat May 23, 2020 3:08 pm

ribrash wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:01 pm
What would BA do if no one applied for these positions ? Make the whole work force redundant ? Surely that would piss on fatty,s chips.
Unfortunately a lot of people aren’t in the position where they’re able to do this and there’s going to be a large pool of candidates from other airlines to choose from.
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#313 Post by Undried Plum » Sat May 23, 2020 3:13 pm

Woody wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:08 pm
Unfortunately a lot of people aren’t in the position where they’re able to do this and there’s going to be a large pool of candidates from other airlines to choose from.
Aye, there's the rub.

Perpetual pay, for no work.

A dream.

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#314 Post by Woody » Mon May 25, 2020 3:59 pm

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#316 Post by Woody » Wed May 27, 2020 3:46 pm

Officially furloughed until the end of June :((
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#317 Post by OFSO » Wed May 27, 2020 4:18 pm

The estate agents who nearly buggered up the sale of the property were 'working from home' AND furloughed. Very happy no doubt.

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#318 Post by k3k3 » Wed May 27, 2020 6:02 pm

If they are buying and selling houses while furloughed, does that mean the commission gets paid in to the Treasury? I'm sure the chancellor would accept it gladly.

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#319 Post by ian16th » Wed May 27, 2020 9:09 pm

k3k3 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 6:02 pm
If they are buying and selling houses while furloughed, does that mean the commission gets paid in to the Treasury? I'm sure the chancellor would accept it gladly.
He is going to need it!
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