Au Revoir Permanent A380 Part 1

[TheGreenGoblin]

Anyone any insight into the Emirates 'incident' on 20/12 in Dubai? According to the ADSB data (not always reliable!) it is very strange indeed. Acknowledgements to Av Herald. http://avherald.com/h?article=4f24b2d7&opt=0

It was a B777-300, talked about quite widely in TOP, although I haven’t seen a METAR

[Ex-Ascot]

They were jolly lucky to have that much over-run available. Could have been a very nasty accident. Sounds like a case of following the automatics and not just flying the aircraft.

[AtomKraft]

From a chum of mine who works there, "100 feet, 260 knots and descending".

I mean, who hasn't forgotten to put the first cleared altitude in the box, before t/o?

But who TF then plugs the AP in????

[AtomKraft]

Problem was that the cleared level in the window was 00000.

So no rotate command.

At the end they hauled it off, and plugged the AP in, which went for the cleared level in the window.

The must have a different sort of pilot there.

[Boac]

Clever stuff! I have never experienced a 'rotate command' in my life except from PM. How does it work? Does it trigger at Vr regardless of distance along the runway? How does it avoid a tail scrape?

[AtomKraft]

Maybe different in the 777, but on my type the pitch up command comes when you hit TOGA before starting to roll.

I can't imagine any pilot running off the end at 260 it's, just because the FD says so.

These guys are completely under the spell of the automation.

[Boac]

but on my type the pitch up command comes when you hit TOGA before starting to roll.

Wow! A very useful function. If the 777 is the same then the FD function/policy is irrelevant to this accident.

[Boac]

AK - what you describe is NOT a "pitch-up/'Rotate' command", is it? Can you tell what is (apart from PM)?

Do you know if PM did not command 'rotate' as you suggest?

[AtomKraft]

Actually, it is a pitch up command, but it shows throughout the take off roll.

When your oppo says, 'rotate', that's when you follow it.