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#1 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:44 am

Washington — The Pentagon on Monday formally released three unclassified videos taken by Navy pilots that have circulated for years showing interactions with "unidentified aerial phenomena."

One of the videos shows an incident from 2004, and the other two were recorded in January 2015, according to Sue Gough, a Defense Department spokeswoman. The videos became public after unauthorized leaks in 2007 and 2017, and the Navy previously verified their authenticity.

"After a thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems, and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military air space incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena," Gough said.


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#2 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:55 pm

Does that make these now officially unidentified?

Or "Nothing to be seen here - move along!"?

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#3 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:10 pm

Meanwhile, there is to be a flypast over the house of the 100-year-old WWII veteran, but the public have been requested not to assemble to watch.
It was meant to be a surprise!

"What was that?"

"Damn - missed it!"

I suppose that, as they will not disclose the time, people will have to spend all day watching?

"You didn't see me - right?"

Of course, there will be no media presence to cover it?

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#4 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:34 am

"Foo fighters" was a polite version of what the Korean War pilots actually called them.

Same origin that led to the polite term 'Dogfighting'.

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#5 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:45 am

OK, this is as good a place as any. Couple of nights ago we saw an object best described as wobbling and lurching.

Is passed from NNE to SSW about the same speed as a satellite, no noise, no nav or col lights visible. It seemed to move rapidly to left or right and then accelerate. Thinking about it now, the same sort of movement you might observe through hand held binos though we used naked eye. This jittering was not regular or constant.

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#6 Post by Boac » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:19 am

Autokinetics?

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#7 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:32 pm

Boac wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:19 am
Autokinetics?
No, I don't think so. I admit to seeing stars littering but in this case is crossed a contrails which gave a reference.

Where I have seen aircraft you generally get a glimpse of a nav light or anti col. You may also hear the noise, it was a quiet night, after they have passed. Where they manoeuvre at height it is very smooth. This had significant jumps to the side and then jumps ahead all in relation to the contrail and then the stars.

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#8 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:17 pm

Pyramid-shaped UFOs spotted by Navy may be the best 'the world has ever seen,' filmmaker says

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/

The Pentagon has confirmed the authenticity of newly leaked video and images showing multiple UFO sightings by U.S. Navy personnel, as the government prepares to release a highly anticipated first-of-its-kind report on UFOs this summer.

An 18-second video shows what is described as three pyramid-shaped UFOs hovering over the warship USS Russell at night in July of 2019 off the San Diego coast. At one point, the pyramid-shaped crafts reportedly hovered 700 feet over the tail of the Russell.

This is the first video the public has seen from the July 2019 incident in which mysterious UFOs described as unmanned aerial vehicles reportedly harassed at least three U.S. warships during military exercises over multiple days — at one point matching the speed and bearing of one destroyer for 90 minutes while performing "brazen" maneuvers.

Months earlier, an FA-18 pilot reportedly used his cellphone to snap photos of three different unidentified aircrafts off the coast of Oceana in March including two UFOs dubbed the "Metalic Blimp" and "The Sphere."

The unidentified aircrafts captured by the pilot in March 2019 were able to remain stationary in high winds, with no movement, beyond the capability of known balloons or drones, according to the Mysterywire.com.

"I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by Navy personnel," Department of Defense spokesperson Susan Gough told Fox News. "The UAPTF [Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force] has included these incidents in their ongoing examinations."

The video and images were leaked to filmmaker Jeremy Corbell, who made the documentary "Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers," and KLAS TV’s chief investigative reporter George Knapp.

Corbell and Knapp independently confirmed the leaked documents are unclassified images that were part of a series of classified briefings intended to educate members of the U.S. Intelligence Community about UFOs traveling in restricted airspace.

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Jeremy Corbell says this series of photos was taken from the USS Omaha showing a "spherical"-shaped vehicle observed descending into the ocean without destruction. (Courtesy: @JeremyCorbell)

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"This is explosive information," Corbell told Fox News. "This is probably the best UFO military filmed footage certainly that I’ve ever seen, but I think also that the world has ever seen."

In a separate event, three photos, leaked to Corbell, purportedly from the USS Omaha, show a "spherical" UFO descending into the ocean seamlessly disappearing without destruction. According to Corbell, a submarine unsuccessfully attempted to find the unidentified aerial vehicle.

"This is an extraordinary piece of technology," Corbell said. "Whoever is operating these technologies are far more advanced than anything we have in the U.S. arsenal and that should be a warning sign. We need to find out the intent of the operators of these vehicles."

The Pentagon’s Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) is now investigating what these unidentified aircrafts are. The UAPTF was formed in the summer of 2020 in an effort to improve the Department of Defense’s "understanding of, and gain insight into, the nature and origins UAPs" particularly those "incursions by unauthorized aircraft into our training ranges or designated airspace."

The fact that the UAPTF is still investigating these new incidents as unidentified aerial phenomena means they’ve already ruled out that they are balloons or basic drones from another country, Corbell said.

"These craft are not pushing something out the back to go forward," Corbell explained. "They are gravitationally propelled craft that are transmedium — that can go from space to air to sea without destruction."

The Pentagon’s candor and decision to even acknowledge that the video and images of pyramid shaped aircrafts and UFOs over waters near Oceana are in fact real — is exciting UFO enthusiasts and experts worldwide who hope it’s the beginning of more transparency.

Last April, the Pentagon released three UFO videos captured by naval aviators who are heard expressing awe at unknown objects flying and maneuvering at incredible speeds.

RELATED: U.F.O. sightings surge in New York

This June, the government is expected to release a report on UFOs that former intelligence director John Ratcliffe told Fox News will show that "frankly, there are lot more sightings than have been made public ... things that we are observing that are difficult to explain."

Last year’s $2.3 trillion appropriations bill signed by President Trump in December included a provision ordering the nation’s intelligence community to submit a report within 180 days detailing everything the government knows about unidentified flying objects or unidentified aerial phenomena.

"We are talking about objects that have been seen by Navy and Air Force pilots or have been picked up by satellite imagery that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain," Ratcliffe told Fox News, "movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom."

According to data from the National UFO Reporting Center, sightings of unidentified objects in the air reportedly rose in 2020 by about 1,000 nationwide, to more than 7,200 sightings.

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"Generally, we are getting more of what appear to be legitimate sightings of actual UFO’s then was the case even a few years ago," said Peter Davenport, director of the UFO reporting center.

Since November, he’s received five reports from cockpit crew members of unidentified objects flying at high altitude: "It’s unusual. I don’t recall in 27 years having received five reports in just a matter of months."

Corbell said he does not know whether the recent images he obtained show UFOs from extraterrestrials visiting our planet, though he is certain the public should demand that our government transparently investigate their origins.

"UFOs are real and they are here, but we don’t know who they are or the intent," Corbell said. "That’s no longer a question. You have just not been paying attention."

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#9 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:28 pm

The U.S. military takes UFOs seriously. Why doesn't Silicon Valley or academia?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/u ... cna1264107

The U.S. military takes UFOs seriously. Why doesn't Silicon Valley or academia?
The government wants to know if these unidentified objects pose a military threat. But they also represent an opportunity to advance science and technology.

April 16, 2021, 2:07 PM MST
By Rizwan Virk, founder of Play Labs @ MIT
In our era of life-changing innovation, there are major breakthroughs that could well come from the serious study of a phenomenon we too often mock: UFOs. The government has reversed its official position of publicly ignoring UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomenon, the new trendy name for UFOs) and is starting to tackle the subject openly. But within academia and industry, the topic is still too frequently dismissed with a chuckle accompanied by some trite remark about “extraterrestrials.”

In the long term, there could be multiple Nobel prizes, not to mention new laws of physics, for those who are willing to dive in and risk ridicule in the short term.

In February, for instance, one of the biggest innovators of this century, Elon Musk, was asked what he thought about the recent Pentagon acknowledgment that Navy pilots have seen objects flying in our airspace using advanced technology we can’t identify, let alone understand or explain or reproduce. Musk’s answer was, “Honestly, I think I would know if there were aliens,” and, honestly, this response could have come from any number of prominent scientists or industry figures.

Musk’s nonanswer was revealing because it suggested that he wasn’t aware of — or interested in — basic unclassified facts about military sightings of UFOs, or that the government is looking into the possibility that they are made from advanced technology that our scientists can’t yet figure out.

In June, a new task force championed by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., must submit an unclassified report on unidentified aerial phenomena to Congress. It comes as several erstwhile officials, including former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and two former CIA directors, have called for a more rigorous look at these sightings.

The most famous example (the one Musk was asked about) occurred when Navy pilots reported a craft resembling a Tic Tac that was moving unlike anything seen in the U.S. arsenal: They said it “wasn’t behaving by the normal laws of physics.”

The craft’s movements were, however, typical of both military and civilian UFO reports: Descending from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet in an instant; stopping in midair and reversing direction without inertial effects; exceeding the speed of sound without generating a sonic boom; and submerging into the ocean. After The New York Times and The Washington Post reported on it in 2017 along with the military’s secret UFO tracking program, the Pentagon publicly acknowledged last year that the leaked videos in the stories were authentic.


Now recently retired national security officials are speaking out. In the run-up to the task force’s report in June, John Ratcliffe, former director of national intelligence, told Fox News last month that there were “a lot more sightings than have been made public.” Similarly, James Woolsey, former director of the CIA, said on a podcast this month he was taking the subject seriously, as did a successor at the CIA, John Brennan, in December.

The Pentagon hasn’t offered an official explanation for UAPs like the Tic Tac craft, calling them “unidentified.” Former officials don’t seem to be willing to utter the word “alien,” but it’s the implication of what they do say. Lue Elizondo, who ran the secret Pentagon UFO tracking unit, has publicly ruled out the theory that the Tic Tac craft came from the U.S. arsenal or from the arsenals of our adversaries, leaving only the theory that it came from “someone or something else.”

According to Brennan, some of the phenomena we’re seeing “could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.” U.S. Navy pilots who have actually seen the Tic Tac craft are even more direct, with one telling the Post it was “Something not from the Earth.”

While it’s good that the government is finally taking UFOs more seriously, its job is primarily to figure out whether they represent a military threat. But these unidentified objects may also represent an opportunity to advance our science and technology significantly — if our other two pillars of innovation, academia and industry, are willing to catch up.

Unfortunately, when scientists are asked about UFOs, they generally laugh off the subject. The well-known astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, for one, said he would only take the idea seriously when aliens send him a dinner invite.


Why do leading scientists show such a profound lack of curiosity in a subject that might redefine not just their fields, but also all of science? It could lead to a new understanding of our place in the universe, and new advances in materials science, biology, quantum physics, cosmology and social sciences.

Part of the problem likely stems from an academic version of the old IBM rule in industry that “No one ever gets fired for buying IBM.” Similarly, no professor ever gets fired for mocking UFOs. The case of Harvard Medical School’s Dr. John Mack, though, shows the dangers if you don’t.

Thankfully, small cracks are appearing in academia’s wall of mockery. Avi Loeb, chief astronomer at Harvard University, was willing to say in his new book, “Extraterrestrial,” that he thinks that ‘Oumuamua, the first object we have spotted in the night sky whose origin is definitely from outside our solar system, was most likely a technological artifact of a long-vanished alien civilization.

Mysterious Navy UFO sightings may have a disappointing explanation. Here's why.
Most academics, though, still invoke some version of Musk’s nonargument: “If aliens were here, we would know!” But the government is saying that it does know: These craft exist. My purpose today is not to convince you of the evidence, however, but to encourage academics and industry leaders to move beyond their biases into an open-minded investigation to figure out who or what created them, and how they work.

I’m not naïve enough to assume that academics will study UFOs just to further human knowledge. But to point out the obvious: In the long term, there could be multiple Nobel prizes, not to mention new laws of physics, for those who are willing to dive in and risk ridicule in the short term.

Scientists in Europe who dismissed the idea of rocks falling out of the sky eventually opened their minds enough to discover meteorites — ending up with a more complex understanding of the universe. The results this time could lead to new kinds of transportation devices capable of submerging into the ocean and in the air, transporting cargo and passengers across the globe in minutes, as well as ferrying humans safely beyond planet Earth.

Similar rewards await industry risk-takers as well, especially innovators in Silicon Valley who are interested in speculative topics such as the Singularity and the Simulation Hypothesis. To some extent, their apathy is the predictable spillover effect from the ivory tower: Venture capital firms aren’t going to invest in something that academics haven’t stamped as “viable” technology.

But peer pressure may also be at work here, too. Businessman Joe Firmage, for instance, was once the toast of the valley only to resign so as not to hurt his company’s reputation after speaking of his interest in UFOs (and being skewered as “the Fox Mulder of Silicon Valley” in the press).

Despite the risks, there are some encouraging signs. Recently, Prof. Garry Nolan of Stanford University and Jacques Vallee, a venture capitalist who worked with J. Allen Hynek — a part of the Air Force’s first UFO investigation group, Project Blue Book, from 1947-1969 — have teamed up to investigate samples of materials supposedly ejected at purported UFO landing sites.

My purpose today is not to convince you of the evidence, but to encourage academics and industry leaders to move beyond their biases into an open-minded investigation.

As a starting point, if the ratios of the metals’ specific isotopes don’t naturally occur on Earth, the chemical composition could open up new opportunities for high-performance craft materials on- and off-planet. Vallee (inspiration for the French scientist in director Steven Spielberg’s “Close Encounters of the Third Kind”) told me they would go through the academic peer-review processes, which might greatly advance respect for the subject.

Where does this leave us?

We will know more when the Pentagon’s report on unidentified aerial phenomena comes out in June, but now that the government is starting to take UFOs seriously, it’s high time that more academics and industry leaders step up to do the same.

The truth is out there.

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#10 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:24 pm

U.S. Has No Explanation for Unidentified Objects and Stops Short of Ruling Out Aliens :-o

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/us/p ... eport.html

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/document ... 210625.pdf

U.S. Has No Explanation for Unidentified Objects and Stops Short of Ruling Out Aliens
A new government report is likely to fuel theories about unexplained aerial phenomena.

Washington (CNN)The US intelligence community on Friday released its long-awaited report on what it knows about a series of mysterious flying objects that have been seen moving through restricted military airspace over the last several decades.

In short, the answer according to Friday's report is very little, but the fact that the intelligence community released the unclassified document marks one of the first times the US government has publicly acknowledged that these strange aerial sightings by Navy pilots and others are worthy of legitimate scrutiny.
The report examined 144 reports of what the government terms "unidentified aerial phenomenon" — only one of which investigators were able to explain by the end of the study. Investigators found no evidence that the sightings represented either extraterrestrial life or a major technological advancement by a foreign adversary like Russia or China.
"Of the 144 reports we are dealing with here, we have no clear indications that there is any non-terrestrial explanation for them — but we will go wherever the data takes us," a senior US official said.
But investigators were also convinced that the majority of the sightings were "physical objects," the official told reporters on Friday.
"We absolutely do believe what we're seeing are not simply sensor artifacts. These are things that physically exist," the official said, noting that 80 of the reported incidents included data from multiple sensors. In 11 cases, investigators believed that there was a "near-miss" collision with US personnel.
Report follows years of infighting
After years of Washington infighting, including bureaucratic battles within the Pentagon and pressure from certain members of Congress, the US government finally appears to be taking seriously what has for so long been considered a fringe issue.
For lawmakers and intelligence and military personnel working on unexplained aerial phenomena, the bigger concern with the episodes is not that alien life is visiting earth, but rather that a foreign adversary like Russia or China might be fielding some kind of next-generation technology in American airspace that the United States doesn't know about.
That is one of the reasons this unclassified report will likely disappoint UFO-ologists who had hoped it might offer definitive proof the US government has made contact with extraterrestrial life.
"For years, the men and women we trust to defend our country reported encounters with unidentified aircraft that had superior capabilities, and for years their concerns were often ignored and ridiculed," Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, the Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a statement on Friday. "This report is an important first step in cataloging these incidents, but it is just a first step. The Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern."
If the sightings were the result of Chinese or Russian technology -- either some kind of unknown aircraft or a technology system that can spoof US radar and other surveillance and reconnaissance systems -- the intelligence community would not want to reveal what it does and doesn't know.

"They're very sensitive to, if this is an adversary, you want to be really careful about saying, 'we know this and we don't know that,'" said Rep. Jim Himes, a Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee who received a briefing on the matter from Navy and FBI officials last week.
"The report is going to be a little unsatisfying for that reason and that reason alone," he said.
Still, the fact that the intelligence community is producing reports on what the Pentagon has labeled UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) is itself extraordinary, as CNN has previously reported.
Even as sightings of unexplainable objects rose into the hundreds, Pentagon officials wrestled with how much time and resources to devote to investigating them.
Most of the 144 sightings covered in the report were recorded by US Navy pilots, although there were some reports from other US government sources — a clear "reporting bias" in the data set investigators examined, the US official said.
Investigators tried to categorize the 144 sightings into five categories: airborne clutter, like birds or weather balloons, natural atmospheric phenomena, US government or industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and an alluring catchall: "Other."
"There is a wide range of phenomena that we observed that we ultimately put into the UAP category," the official said. "There is not one single explanation of UAP."
But in the 143 unexplained cases investigators simply lacked the necessary data to categorize the sighting. Some reports included no technical data at all for engineers to examine, but rather were solely verbal recollections by pilots.
The report does not include any additional videos or UFO sightings.
Report raises more questions than answers
Congressional sources who have seen the classified version of the report have already expressed disappointment there's not more of an explanation to the episodes, saying that the report raises more questions than it answers.
Previous interviews with a half-dozen officials as well as documents reviewed by CNN depict a US military and intelligence community that's struggled over how to remove the issue from the realm of science fiction and consider its actual national security implications.
Even now, multiple sources told CNN, the government almost certainly wouldn't have moved to produce the report without public pressure from key lawmakers, as both Republicans and Democrats have taken an interest in the matter.
While former senior defense officials with knowledge of the most recent iteration of the department's investigations say the Pentagon took it seriously, some pilots and former officials tasked with investigating the matter say senior Pentagon leaders downplayed or ignored the threat.
Erasing the stigma surrounding a serious discussion of UFOs was also the goal for lawmakers in 2020 when they passed legislation requiring the Pentagon and intelligence community to provide more information about these UFO encounters, details that have, until recently, largely remained shrouded in secrecy.
Requiring production of the upcoming UFO report was also one way lawmakers have signaled that they intend to use their oversight authority to ensure coordination among the agencies involved, sources told CNN last month.
"One of the functions of a course like this is that it forces actual coordination within the agencies and makes clear that Congress is actually serious about its oversight function and that there's going to be increased scrutiny along the way," a congressional aide said at the time. "Some of it is a product of getting the agencies to take the issue more seriously and trying to help get rid of the stigma surrounding it."

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