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#1 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 16, 2021 6:31 am

It used to be said that any plutonium isotopes extant on the earth had been created as a result of man's nuclear research, weapons and industry, as most of the short half lives of the various isotypes of naturally occurring plutonium would have resulted in the transmutation of these back into more stable elements in the billions of years of deep time since the creation of all the elements that coalesced to form the earth.

This definitive position has been undermined by recent evidence that points to the existence naturally occurring plutonium-244, which has the longest half life of all the plutonium isotopes, at some 80 million years, which is a blink in the eye in cosmological terms, on earth found in the crust deep in one of the Pacific Ocean's trenches! The isotope which is thought to have formed in the most violent of stellar events such as super novae or neutron star explosions, must have been formed by one these events which we are not aware of in our nearby neighbourhood in the last 80 million years or so. It is an intriguing mystery.


https://www.independent.co.uk/independe ... ml?r=17265
A rare radioactive plutonium isotope dating back millions of years has been found embedded in Earth’s crust, helping experts to understand how heavy metals form in the stars.

New research published in the research journal Science suggests the element known as plutonium-244 – discovered nearly 5,000ft below the Pacific Ocean – made its way to our planet following multiple supernovae explosions millions of years ago.

The element iron-60, a lighter metal known to form in stellar explosions, was also discovered at the site, according to the experts’ findings.

“Our data could be the first evidence that supernovae do indeed produce plutonium-244,” the study’s lead author, Dr Anton Wallner, said in a statement, adding that the element’s “story is complicated”.

“Possibly this plutonium-244 was produced in supernova explosions or it could be left over from a much older, but even more spectacular event such as a neutron star detonation,” he said.

Iron-60 has a half-life of approximately 2.5 million years before it decays, while plutonium-244 has a half-life of just over 80 million years.

This extended half-life is “long enough for most of it to remain from events of the past few million years but short enough that none is left from the time the Solar System was created,” the study’s co-author, Dr Michael Hotchkis of ANSTO’s Centre for Accelerator Science, added.

Dr Wallner, a nuclear physicist at the Australian National University, also suggested that plutonium-244 “was already in the interstellar medium before the supernova went off, and was pushed across the Solar System together with the supernova ejecta”.

Both of these elements are heavy and should have decayed into stable forms decades ago, he said, but given the state that they were found in, it is likely the cosmic event which caused them to land here happened just a few million years ago.

Speaking about the supernova, Dr Wallner said it “must have been spectacular at the time”.

“It must have been similar [in brightness] to the full moon, so you would see it even in daytime,” he added.

Further study of the isotopes and others like them could allow researchers to understand more about the Solar System’s past explosions.

What is plutonium-244?
Plutonium-244 is one of the heaviest elements on Earth. Its half-life of 80 million years is longer than any other plutonium isotope and all but three other actinide isotopes: uranium-235, uranium-238, and thorium-232.

Of the 244 particles that make up plutonium-244, 94 are protons and 150 are neutrons.

Trace elements of it were first discovered in its primordial state in the early 1970s.

“What is fascinating is that you find some six or 10 atoms which you can identify in the end as [being] not from Earth but from space,” Dr Wallner ended his statement by saying.

“And then you get some hints about where it had been produced and when it had been produced.”
Do transuranic elements occur naturally?
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#2 Post by Boac » Sun May 16, 2021 6:56 am

Can you buy a Tesla made from it? That is the important question.

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#3 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun May 16, 2021 7:02 am

5,000 feet, especially in Pacific terms, is not that deep.

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#4 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 16, 2021 8:14 am

Pontius Navigator wrote:
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5,000 feet, especially in Pacific terms, is not that deep.
Challenger Deep... 11,034 meters (36,798 feet) ...

Of course the Pacific Ocean is riddled with man made plutonium isotopes from all the confounded US, and French tests, (the UK has done its bit too) so it is possible that this "find" is not what it seems (although Pu244 is produced in minute amounts in hydrogen bomb explosions)!
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#5 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 16, 2021 8:48 am

Boac wrote:
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Can you buy a Tesla made from it? That is the important question.
How many Nutmegs are in a Tesla driven by Hitler I wonder... =))

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#6 Post by llondel » Mon May 17, 2021 8:04 pm

If they look more closely, they'll probably find a crashed alien spacecraft.

The big question is how did they know where to look for the plutonium, given how big the ocean is.

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#7 Post by G-CPTN » Mon May 17, 2021 8:15 pm

They counted the geigers.

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#8 Post by Boac » Mon May 17, 2021 9:18 pm

Huzzah! A new TLA - TPD - I like it.

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#9 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue May 18, 2021 6:38 am

So if there is half as much as 80m years ago it follows there was 4 times as much 160m years ago, 8 times as much 240m years, 16 times at 320m and so on.

So in the beginning there was an infinite quantity of the stuff but only 80 million years later only half remained, after 160 million years there was....

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#10 Post by Boac » Tue May 18, 2021 6:52 am

Collect - unless you are the lender of the DUP, PN :))

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#11 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue May 18, 2021 7:13 am

Pontius Navigator wrote:
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So if there is half as much as 80m years ago it follows there was 4 times as much 160m years ago, 8 times as much 240m years, 16 times at 320m and so on.

So in the beginning there was an infinite quantity of the stuff but only 80 million years later only half remained, after 160 million years there was....
You are dealing, in another way, with the riddle of the origins of the cosmos PN, retrograding to the mathematical infinites associated with the Big Bang!

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#12 Post by G-CPTN » Tue May 18, 2021 8:11 am

the total mass of plutonium-244 in the Earth crust is about 9 g
Do they measure 'strength' - so can they tell when this isotope was at 100% strength?

Does 'strength' depend on mass? I don't suppose that mass decays . . .

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#13 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am

G-CPTN wrote:
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the total mass of plutonium-244 in the Earth crust is about 9 g
Do they measure 'strength' - so can they tell when this isotope was at 100% strength?

Does 'strength' depend on mass? I don't suppose that mass decays . . .
Mass can be transmuted into energy, which is massless, therefore a particle that is emitting electromagnetic radiation across any and/or all frequencies will lose mass naturally over time. An atomic reactor will convert mass to energy and thus a very small amount of mass will be lost in that process. Same for atomic weapons. The sun is slowly converting mass to energy and will take anther 5 billion years or so to reach a point where that hydrogen fission mass conversion process starts converting helium to energy, and it will expand, but will still be losing mass for another billion or so years until it shrinks down to become a white dwarf by which time the fission process will be pretty much over, save for the grindingly slow natural emission of random particles and energy until, over a huge number aeons, even the constituent particles of the universe will decay across a possibly infinite universe, and all that mass conversion energy will have been dispersed and smeared across the blackness of a void infinitely close to a temperature of absolute zero as even all the black holes will have radiated all their mass away...

... and England will still not have won the World Cup! =))
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#14 Post by Boac » Tue May 18, 2021 9:17 am

PN wrote:So in the beginning there was an infinite quantity of the stuff but only 80 million years later only half remained,
Serious flaw there. Half of infinity is...........?

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#15 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue May 18, 2021 9:18 am

Boac wrote:
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PN wrote:So in the beginning there was an infinite quantity of the stuff but only 80 million years later only half remained,
Serious flaw there. Half of infinity is...........?
Infinity, they have all got it, infinity... =))
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#16 Post by Boac » Tue May 18, 2021 9:19 am

'All' or an infinite number?

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#17 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue May 18, 2021 9:20 am

Boac wrote:
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'All' or an infinite number?
Grant me some poetic licence... ;)))

But an infinity of infinites... tis true... what with all being finite by implication and all!
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#18 Post by G-CPTN » Tue May 18, 2021 10:39 am

How erudite!

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#19 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue May 18, 2021 11:17 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am
G-CPTN wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:11 am
the total mass of plutonium-244 in the Earth crust is about 9 g
Do they measure 'strength' - so can they tell when this isotope was at 100% strength?

Does 'strength' depend on mass? I don't suppose that mass decays . . .
Mass can be transmuted into energy, which is massless, therefore a particle that is emitting electromagnetic radiation across any and/or all frequencies will lose mass naturally over time. An atomic reactor will convert mass to energy and thus a very small amount of mass will be lost in that process. Same for atomic weapons. The sun is slowly converting mass to energy and will take another 5 billion years or so to reach a point where that hydrogen fusion mass conversion process starts converting helium to energy, and it will expand, but will still be losing mass for another billion or so years until it shrinks down to become a white dwarf by which time the fusion process will be pretty much over, save for the grindingly slow natural emission (fission) of random particles and energy until, over a huge number aeons, even the constituent particles of the universe will decay across a possibly infinite universe, and all that mass conversion energy will have been dispersed and smeared across the blackness of a void infinitely close to a temperature of absolute zero as even all the black holes will have radiated all their mass away...

... and England will still not have won the World Cup! =))
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#20 Post by EA01 » Tue May 18, 2021 12:16 pm

But,....if the Big Bang happened because of a God Almighty Bang, then God almighty had something to do with the Bang?.....no?

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