Vigil, Winching and a Sea King.....

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Re: Vigil, Winching and a Sea King.....

#41 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:09 am

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Vigil starts here soon - I'll be watching on best behaviour. :ymdevil:
I assume your wife will be watching, rolled up newpaper in hand, with which to cuff you about the ears, if you should so much as dare to interrupt the progamme with a disgusted "harrumph" at some blatant technical or authenticity faux pas! ;)))
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#42 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:13 am

I think the Coxswain on Vigil will be the Executive Warrant Officer which would account for his position on the drama.

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#43 Post by FD2 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:23 am

GG- Just so! Must learn to be patient as you and C16 say.


PN - Yes the Coxswain was the senior rating onboard smaller ships and the Master at Arms the senior guy on larger ships. Don't know what their titles are nowadays or what the submariners get up to, especially in the big 'bombers'.

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#44 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:40 am

FD2, according to Wiki, from 2005 all the ships and boats have an EWO, E for executive. Similar God like powers as a SWO. In V in Episode 2 he said he was responsible for all personnel matters.

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#45 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:55 am

Encrypted so as not to be a spoiler for those who haven't yet seen any of the episodes. Will show the key to the very simple code after I'm proven right or wrong about my theory as to whodunnit.

Rapelcgrq hfvat ebg guvegrra fb nf abg gb or fbzr xvaq bs fcbvyre. V guvax vg jhm gur pbkfjnva jbg qhaavg. Gur xvyyvpx jub qvrq orsber gur fgbel fgnegf jnf rnfvyl oynpxznvyrq qhr gb uvf nssnve jvgu gur crnpravx tvey. Fur jnf xvyyrq ol gur ehffxl orpnhfr fur xarj gbb zhpu. Gur fjnoovr jub qvrq ba gur obng jnf xvyyrq orpnhfr ur unq qvfpbirerq fbzrguvat nobhg gur pbkfjnva. Qvggb gur tnyyrl fgrjneqrff. Gur pbk jnf rnfvyl oynpxznvyrq orpnhfr uvf nssnve jvgu gur qbpgbe unq orra qvfpbirerq ol gur frcgvpf be gur ehffxvrf be obgu. Gur frcgvp fho jnf gnvyvat gur ivtvy obng orpnhfr gurl jrer pbaprearq gung vg zvtug snyy vagb gur jebat unaqf. Gur genjyre jnf pyboorerq nppvqragnyyl ol gur frcgvpf juvyr gurl jrer gelvat gb fgnl va gur fgrea oyvaqfcbg bs ivtvy.

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Re: Vigil, Winching and a Sea King.....

#46 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:34 am

Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:55 am
Encrypted so as not to be a spoiler for those who haven't yet seen any of the episodes. Will show the key to the very simple code after I'm proven right or wrong about my theory as to whodunnit.

Rapelcgrq hfvat ebg guvegrra fb nf abg gb or fbzr xvaq bs fcbvyre. V guvax vg jhm gur pbkfjnva jbg qhaavg. Gur xvyyvpx jub qvrq orsber gur fgbel fgnegf jnf rnfvyl oynpxznvyrq qhr gb uvf nssnve jvgu gur crnpravx tvey. Fur jnf xvyyrq ol gur ehffxl orpnhfr fur xarj gbb zhpu. Gur fjnoovr jub qvrq ba gur obng jnf xvyyrq orpnhfr ur unq qvfpbirerq fbzrguvat nobhg gur pbkfjnva. Qvggb gur tnyyrl fgrjneqrff. Gur pbk jnf rnfvyl oynpxznvyrq orpnhfr uvf nssnve jvgu gur qbpgbe unq orra qvfpbirerq ol gur frcgvpf be gur ehffxvrf be obgu. Gur frcgvp fho jnf gnvyvat gur ivtvy obng orpnhfr gurl jrer pbaprearq gung vg zvtug snyy vagb gur jebat unaqf. Gur genjyre jnf pyboorerq nppvqragnyyl ol gur frcgvpf juvyr gurl jrer gelvat gb fgnl va gur fgrea oyvaqfcbg bs ivtvy.
Code decrypted. We shall see! ;)))
Encoded text begins - So as not to be some kind of spoiler, I think it wuz REDACTED wot dunnit it. REDACTED before the story starts… REDACTED
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#47 Post by CharlieOneSix » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:37 pm

I haven't decoded it all but I don't think it's that person in the first line. SPOILER: Zhfg or znggurj qbjneq, gur fbane bcrengbe. Bnxyrl unf n cubgb bs uvz.
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#48 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:48 pm

CharlieOneSix wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:37 pm
I haven't decoded it all but I don't think it's that person in the first line. SPOILER: Zhfg or znggurj qbjneq, gur fbane bcrengbe. Bnxyrl unf n cubgb bs uvz.
Sonorous is the rhyme
And the way of the tide
And the truth is written in Oak...

C16...

Jr jvyy nyy or jevgvat va na bcra pbqr ol gur raq bs guvf guernq...

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#49 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:59 pm

The truth lies herein and ian16th is your guide...

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Let steganography be your guide...

I have been extraordinarily kind to a would be cracker here...
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#50 Post by ian16th » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:14 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:59 pm
01100101011101000010000001110101011100110010000001100110011100100110010101100101001011100010000001010111011010000110111100100000011101110110100101101100011011000010000001110010011001010111001101100011011101010110010100100000011101010111001100101110

The truth lies herein...

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Let steganography be your guide...
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#51 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:15 pm

ian16th wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:14 pm
TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:59 pm
01001111011011100110110001111001001000000111010001101000011001010010000001100001011010010111001000100000011000110110000101101110001000000111001101100101011101000010000001110101011100110010000001100110011100100110010101100101001011100010000001010111011010000110111100100000011101110110100101101100011011000010000001110010011001010111001101100011011101010110010100100000011101010111001100101110
The truth lies herein...

Let steganography be your guide...
Green is good ian16th... =))

I will buy a bottle of whatever decent tipple (and have it delivered) that suits the first person who fully decodes my last message! :)
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#52 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:51 pm

et us free. Who will rescue us.

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#53 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:53 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:51 pm
et us free. Who will rescue us.
You used the binary conversion to give me half the message. Can you give me the full message using whatever method you want? :-bd

You have won the bottle whatever the case! Clearly in the case of steganography I would not have sent the binary as a huge clue...
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#54 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:55 pm

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#55 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:57 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:53 pm
Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:51 pm
et us free. Who will rescue us.
You used the binary conversion to give me half the message. Can you give me the full message using whatever method you want? :-bd

You have won the bottle whatever the case! Clearly in the case of steganography I would not have sent the binary as a huge clue...
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#56 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:58 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:55 pm
0100011001101111011100100010000001110010011001010110000101110011011011110110111001110011001000000111011101101000011010010110001101101000001000000111011101100101011100100110010100101111011000010111001001100101001000000111010101101110011000110110110001100101011000010111001000100000011101000110111100100000011011010110010100101100001000000100100100100000011101110110000101110011001000000111001101100101011011100111010000100000011011110110111000100000011000010010000001100011011100100111100101110000011101000110111100100000011000110110111101110101011100100111001101100101001000000110001001111001001000000111010001101000011001010010000001000110010000110100111100101110
You deserve the bottle on the basis of cheek and observation alone. Let me know what you want and where you want it sent. Are you interested in seeing it decoded using the steganography route? ;)))
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#57 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:24 pm

Share the bottle with mates at your flying club. My cellar is full!

Yup, go ahead with the stego pic. It's an absolute bitch to decode though. The problem with it is that you can't see the raw data. In most other forms of crypto you start with data which is all part of the message and almost nothing else.

I'm itching to blether about things I learned on that rather pointless crypto course, but FCO is quite anally retentive about that stuff and it's strengt verboten to mention any part of it, even stuff which is open in public documents all over the internet.

The reason I got into Bitcoin at such an early stage was because I set myself the task of trying to crack an actual German Enigma coded message. I Googled for something connected with that project and found the original Satoshi Nakamoto white paper and set about mining a batch of 50BTC. It took my desktop only about a fortnight to break the hash and win my BTC. I went back to trying crack the Enigma code and failed miserably.

It might be fun to try to crack one of the Anthorn VLF signals to the V-boat which is currently on station somewhere far out at sea. I suspect their crypto is probably quite simple due to complacency. One would need the plain text of something like a familygramme as well as the encoded version. With the long nights coming shortly, I wonder if the hippies in the peace camp at Faslane have tried their luck at that.

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#58 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:35 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:24 pm
Share the bottle with mates at your flying club. My cellar is full!

Yup, go ahead with the stego pic. It's an absolute bitch to decode though. The problem with it is that you can't see the raw data. In most other forms of crypto you start with data which is all part of the message and almost nothing else.

I'm itching to blether about things I learned on that rather pointless crypto course, but FCO is quite anally retentive about that stuff and it's strengt verboten to mention any part of it, even stuff which is open in public documents all over the internet.

The reason I got into Bitcoin at such an early stage was because I set myself the task of trying to crack an actual German Enigma coded message. I Googled for something connected with that project and found the original Satoshi Nakamoto white paper and set about mining a batch of 50BTC. It took my desktop only about a fortnight to break the hash and win my BTC. I went back to trying crack the Enigma code and failed miserably.

It might be fun to try to crack one of the Anthorn VLF signals to the V-boat which is currently on station somewhere far out at sea. I suspect their crypto is probably quite simple due to complacency. One would need the plain text of something like a familygramme as well as the encoded version. With the long nights coming shortly, I wonder if the hippies in the peace camp at Faslane have tried their luck at that.

I am sure you cellar is, but the offer stands anyway. :)

Complacency, as you say, is the basis for all cryptographic breakdowns...

In normal circumstances I would have hashed the binary hidden in the picture using the SHA-256 algorithm, and, of course, would not have shared the one key and the binary, electronically at all.

Save the image of the Wessex to your hard disk (Save Image As) and use this...

https://stylesuxx.github.io/steganograp ... 20informed.

All Mickey Mouse stuff but good enough for hiding stuff from non state actors...

VLF is not a great medium for transmitting information dense messages, as you imply... all good fun of course...

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#59 Post by ian16th » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:55 pm

A Decca story.

During my last months in the RAF, I was offered a job by Decca. It was sitting on the end of the production line, testing and de-snagging new build kit. I didn't take the offered job, as it was in Surrey and even in 1965 the salary offered was way below what was needed to buy a house in the area.

It was a full day of rather intense 'trade test' type papers and showing them that I knew how to use a scope and meter etc.

At the end they came to pay my travelling expenses and a dolly bird from their accounts asked me what my train fare had been. I told them what I'd paid, and she blurted out, 'But BR told us........' and mentioned a sum about 20% more than I'd claimed.

I pointed out that I had paid for a 'Forces Rate' ticket.

It was too much trouble re-doing their paperwork so I humbly accepted the profit.
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#60 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:18 pm

Only in the "new South Africa..." From 2017,,,

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/sa-defence ... ine-again/
The SA Navy has again had to revert to using communication links in Durban and aboard a submarine to maintain contact with the SAS Amatola currently transiting the west coast of Africa en route to the English Channel.

This has been necessitated by the theft of antenna and copper cabling from the Navy’s communication centre at Silvermine, according to Afrikaans weekly Rapport.
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