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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#221 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:52 pm

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Bunch of Nimbys! I would be delighted to see the Reds practising overhead my house!
Totally agree, we would love them to relocate to Maun and use the flying training area above our house. :D
I was about to post exactly the same as 'er indoors. Loads of little black birds here to keep them entertained.
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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#222 Post by Boac » Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:59 pm

Loads of little black birds here to keep them entertained.
From what I read in the press they prefer white ones................. =))

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#223 Post by 4mastacker » Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:34 pm

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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#224 Post by Boac » Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:56 pm

A seven-ship for 2023. Here's hoping 7 make it through winter training 'unscathed', although I do not see any sign of a Springhawk deployment which should help allay any 'toxicity'. B-)

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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#225 Post by Boac » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:29 pm

Scrub that! An eight-ship.

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#226 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:06 pm


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#227 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:23 pm

A damning report and one which angers me. This was not the team I knew.

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#228 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:42 pm

I encountered them several times in Cyprus during pre-season practice whilst on gunnery camps. I also saw them a fair few times on the air show circuit as I was in the habit of flying the air display spare / static F3 to air shows.
This was 88-93. They were no better or worse than any other aircrew at the time, socially-speaking. Certainly no sense of entitlement.

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#229 Post by Boac » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:45 pm


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#230 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:52 pm

Boac wrote:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-67417428
404
Page cannot be found :-o :-? ~X(

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#231 Post by Boac » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:57 pm

Sorry - copy/paste error - try again.

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#232 Post by k3k3 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:55 pm

It works now.

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#233 Post by bob2s » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:05 pm

Boac wrote:
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Sorry - copy/paste error - try again.
Still 404 error when I click on the link

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#234 Post by admin2 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:15 pm

bob - are you clicking on the right post? When you say 'still 404 error' does that mean you are getting it frequently or do you mean 'like PHX'?

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#235 Post by bob2s » Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:58 pm

admin2 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:15 pm
bob - are you clicking on the right post? When you say 'still 404 error' does that mean you are getting it frequently or do you mean 'like PHX'?
Opps, Red Faces here as well, clicked on the wrong post.

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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#236 Post by Smeagol » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:44 pm

If I may add my two penneth to this thread. The daughter of a late friend of mine was a member of the ground engineering team supporting the Red Arrows for a while. It was one of her ambitions to get on the team, but rapidly changed her mind when she achieved it. She found the culture deeply unpleasant and very anti female, she requested, and got, a transfer fairly quickly. She is not a 'weak and feeble female' but well able to hold her own (in all respects) with anyone.
This occurred probably some 8-10 years ago.She is still in the service as a senior NCO and must have completed over 20 years of service to date.
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#237 Post by Boac » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:11 pm

Sky New are broadcasting an ''insight' into the whole affair on 27 Dec at 2100. It will, I think, be uncomfortable viewing. The RAF has published the two reports on the team which can be linked from here https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/st ... batic-team

Naturally very heavily redacted, but they portray a team which is unrecognisable to me. The whole operation has changed drastically from my time, and I know that neither of the two team leaders in my time would have allowed this situation to develop. It appears that the progression from display pilot to team leader to O/C RAFAT may well have been contributory.

Very sad.

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#238 Post by ricardian » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:22 pm

A former MP says she has seen no change in the RAF since she looked at the issue 2010, accusing the organisation of putting reputation first.
Madeleine Moon, who was a member of the Defence Select Committee, has been reacting to a Sky News documentary which spoke to victims of predatory behaviour within the Red Arrows. They have slammed the latest inquiry.
Ms Moon says there is a culture of "toxic masculinity" and the armed forces need to bring in external experts to tackle the problem as the "system does not work".
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