The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

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The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#1 Post by ian16th » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:57 pm

I have just read this about the requirements for servicing the F-35.

It says to me that if needed somewhere 'ot and sandy in a hurry, it ain't going to happen!

I hope the HMS QEII and 'tother one have been built to spec.
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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#2 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:08 pm

It also says that destroying any part of a base's infrastructure, whether by bombing or ground action, renders servicing impossible and the aircraft therefore unflyable in just as certain a fashion as bombing the runway.

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#3 Post by Cacophonix » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:20 pm

Any hangar the F-35 uses better be connected to the internet, or more likely, a dedicated encrypted military network as it doesn't go places without access this computer system.

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http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/fd/forum/pdf/Gill.pdf
It takes more than steel, advanced electronics and engine thrust to make the F-35 Lightning II, the world's fifth generation fighter, take flight. It is the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) that gives F-35 Lightning II operators the ability to plan ahead, to maintain, to plan and sustain its systems over the life of the air vehicle. ALIS provides the IT backbone and capabilities to support current and future Warfighters across the U.S. and allied military services.

ALIS integrates a broad range of capabilities including operations, maintenance, prognostics, supply chain, customer support services, training and technical data. A single, secure information environment provides users with up-to-date information on any of these areas using web-enabled applications on a distributed network.

The F-35 is the first tactical aviation system to have sustainment tools engineered in concert with the aircraft for efficiency and cost effectiveness. Compared to previous aircraft, a higher fidelity of information about the F-35 fleet is tracked within ALIS to reduce operations and maintenance costs and increase aircraft availability.

ALIS turns data from many sources into actionable information, enabling pilots, maintainers and military leaders to make proactive decisions to keep jets flying.
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But ALIS ain't working properly yet folks...


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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#4 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:49 pm

So if one of these poxy things has to do a div into a shore airfield from one of the Blaircraft carriers, it's buggered.

There's not a whole helluva lot of Houchins out there in the real world which can deliver a clean conditioned 270v DC supply.

What's a "Lightning" pilot supposed to do? Consult the Tesla trip-planning app to find his nearest Supercharger?

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#5 Post by ian16th » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:39 pm

Why is there a need to invent a 270v DC electrical system?

It is so different to anything before, there must have been a hell of a good sales pitch.
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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#6 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:09 pm

ian16th wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:39 pm
Why is there a need to invent a 270v DC electrical system?
Not exactly new.


Perhaps it is in preparation for when aircraft will be battery operated?:-
Battery systems in this voltage area had been utilized in submarines since 1900.

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#7 Post by Cacophonix » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:04 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:09 pm
ian16th wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:39 pm
Why is there a need to invent a 270v DC electrical system?
Not exactly new.


Perhaps it is in preparation for when aircraft will be battery operated?:-
Battery systems in this voltage area had been utilized in submarines since 1900.
Talking of submarines, leave it to South African navy to screw it up!
The SAS Manthatisi, the first of the country's submarines acquired in the multibillion-rand arms deal, has been in the dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps, including crashing into a quay and damaging her steering mechanism.

Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing damage. The vessel's propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are being replaced.

The SAS Charlotte Maxeke is also busy with "routine maintenance", according to navy chief director maritime strategy Rear Admiral Bernhard Teuteberg.

Now a full navy board of inquiry has been appointed to investigate what happened to the Queen Modjadji.
Yep, they plugged the wrong voltage into the system. The submarine was wrecked and has effectively been scrapped.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... erational/

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#8 Post by Boac » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 am

UP wrote:So if one of these poxy things has to do a div
- it makes '"The nearest suitable" an interesting challenge :))

Caco - how on earth was it POSSIBLE to plug the wrong supply in? A true Murphy. A direct short on a 12 or 24V battery is 'interesting' - imagine what 270V would be like......

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#9 Post by G-CPTN » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:31 am

Reading the other 'news' in the Times live - seems to be lots of corruption . . .

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#10 Post by Cacophonix » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:52 am

Boac wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 am
UP wrote:So if one of these poxy things has to do a div
- it makes '"The nearest suitable" an interesting challenge :))

Caco - how on earth was it POSSIBLE to plug the wrong supply in? A true Murphy. A direct short on a 12 or 24V battery is 'interesting' - imagine what 270V would be like......
Anything is possible in darkest Africa Boac! Ex-Ascot will tell you! =))

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#11 Post by Cacophonix » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:05 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:31 am
Reading the other 'news' in the Times live - seems to be lots of corruption . . .
Huge scandal which repercussions still rumble on!

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#12 Post by G-CPTN » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:08 am

Not just the sub story, policemen demanding bribes and Mandela money missing . . .

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#13 Post by Cacophonix » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:21 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:08 am
Not just the sub story, policemen demanding bribes and Mandela money missing . . .
No I was referring to the whole arms deal fiasco. Policemen demanding bribes etc. is small beer by SA standards! =))


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Arms_Deal

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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#14 Post by ian16th » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:31 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:09 pm
ian16th wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:39 pm
Why is there a need to invent a 270v DC electrical system?
Not exactly new.


Perhaps it is in preparation for when aircraft will be battery operated?:-
Battery systems in this voltage area had been utilized in submarines since 1900.
Obviously I've been away from working on a/c for too long.
I can remember when the 400 c/s was introduced.

Lincoln's managed without it.
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Re: The 'hanger' requirement for the F-35

#15 Post by Krystal n Chips » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:46 am

Good news for the construction sector then......" M.o.D announces new HAS programme ! " ( which will result in a hardened tent once the procurement chaps start negotiating and developing the spec for the shelters )

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