The Israeli 'Iron Dome'

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The Israeli 'Iron Dome'

#1 Post by EA01 » Wed May 12, 2021 12:23 am

Looks to be doing what it says on the tin...


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#2 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed May 12, 2021 12:53 am

I hope they have a crap ton of them.
They've already shot off a sh!t load of 'em.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

Iron Dome

Iron Dome is a mobile all-weather air defense system developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries. Wikipedia
Unit cost: $50 million per battery $40,000 per missile
No. built: 10 batteries deployed (planned deployment is 15)
Manufacturer: Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries
Launch platform: Three/four launchers, each carrying 20 interceptors
Detonation mechanism: Proximity fuze
Designers: Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Israel Aerospace Industries

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#3 Post by EA01 » Wed May 12, 2021 2:01 am

Oy Vey!

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#4 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed May 12, 2021 7:08 am

Sounds expensive but compare with maintenance of a fighter or even the Bloodhound missile. Twenty missiles per launcher compared with Bloodhound with two total.

I wonder how many missiles the US Nike system had per site.

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#5 Post by AtomKraft » Wed May 12, 2021 8:22 pm

Popular lot, the Israelites.

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#6 Post by prospector » Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 am

It will all be sorted very quickly. our Foreign Minister has told them not to be naughty, I am sure they will com ply.

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#7 Post by Undried Plum » Thu May 13, 2021 6:13 am

When will those Hamas **** ever learn?

They will never, ever, outgun the US-backed zionists. They will never, ever, out-terrorize the zionist terrorists.

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#8 Post by 4mastacker » Thu May 13, 2021 7:43 pm

Over on Arrse there's virtual a blow-by-blow account from one of its regular posters. He lives right under the action and has posted quite a few photos of the intercepts - missile debris has been landing right outside his house. He's served in the IDF for over 20 years and has admitted that this time round he's s*** scared.
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#9 Post by EA01 » Fri May 14, 2021 3:43 am

Interesting 4ma.....I've never understood why Hamas tries it on .....they must surely know Israel is going to bring them a serious @rse kicking

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#10 Post by EA01 » Fri May 14, 2021 3:46 am

What thread is it under on arrse 4ma?

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#11 Post by bob2s » Fri May 14, 2021 7:27 am

EA01, look under current affairs and scroll down to Iron Dome.

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#12 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri May 14, 2021 7:44 am

Listened to the wireless yesterday, either a rational debate on the BBC 🙄, or a manic one on LBC, probably the latter as most phoneins had relatives in Israel.

One person countered by saying it was unfair and bullying as Israel was so obviously more powerful and had better defence. The host asked was she suggesting that Israel should let a few rockets through to even things up.!!!!!!

What is the Hamas supply line?

The other question raised was what do the non-Hamas Palestinians think? Do they support Hamas?

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#13 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri May 14, 2021 7:57 am

Looked at Arrse, interesting, on Monday it was said 7 rockets fired at Jerusalem, one hit, 6 landed in open ground. I wonder if the Israelis can restrict fire only on positive threat missiles? Obviously you could be very unlucky.

Someone also observed one missile per rocket and that's what I thought at first. However one trail appeared to intercept a previous missile intercept. I didn't see an explosion so would guess the debris had already dispersed and nothing left to initiate the fuse.

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#14 Post by EA01 » Sun May 16, 2021 8:46 am

The other question raised was what do the non-Hamas Palestinians think? Do they support Hamas?
The majority voted them in...way back in 2006(?), the 2021 election is postponed until????.....One would think that when it comes to pass they would throw Hamas under a bus...as indeed Hamas have done to them....so lets see which way they go.....

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#15 Post by EA01 » Sun May 16, 2021 8:50 am

I wonder if the Israelis can restrict fire only on positive threat missiles?
Apparently yes....the algorithims try to determine what indescriminate rocket is heading for a populous area and what is heading for the desert...

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#16 Post by 4mastacker » Sun May 16, 2021 10:13 am

Some more interesting video clips over on Arrse.

There's one where a bomb is dropped on an orchard and plume of smoke appears some distance away from the impact site suggesting there may be a tunnel linking the two.
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#17 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue May 18, 2021 2:57 pm

Israel's Iron Dome doesn't chase every rocket it sees

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/middleea ... index.html

Israel's Iron Dome doesn't chase every rocket it sees
By Tim Lister, CNN

(CNN)Over the last nine days, thousands of rockets have been fired from Gaza towards Israeli territory. And every day they've been met by missiles from Israel's Iron Dome defense system.

"The Iron Dome Aerial Defense System has one purpose -- to intercept rockets mid-air before they can kill Israeli civilians. We will not apologize for saving lives," the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) tweeted on Tuesday.
The Israeli military says those missiles intercept more than 90% of the rockets targeted. But the Iron Dome doesn't chase down every rocket. In fact, according to official IDF data, the system has destroyed fewer than half the rockets and mortars fired by Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
As of late Sunday, the Israeli Air Force said that approximately 3,100 rockets had been fired from Gaza since the start of the latest conflict, just over a week ago. About 450 had fallen short and failed to penetrate Israel. Of the remaining 2,650, about 1,210 had been intercepted.

Given the sheer volume of rockets fired from Gaza, frequently in intense barrages, the Iron Dome "decides" which pose the greatest threat to urban areas and infrastructure, ignoring those whose trajectory indicates they are likely to hit unpopulated areas or the sea. The IDF assess that there were 13,000 to 14,000 rockets in Gaza before this escalation began -- so selective targeting would seem critical.
Some do, of course, get through. At a United Nations Security Council session on Sunday, Tor Wennesland, the UN's Special Coordinator for the Middle East peace process, noted that rockets had reached "as far as the outskirts of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and its suburbs and Ben Gurion airport."
"Direct hits have been reported in multiple locations, causing damage to residential and commercial property, as well as schools and a crude oil pipeline," Wennesland said.

So far, militant fire has been responsible for at least 12 deaths inside Israel.
The Iron Dome, developed by the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and the American company Raytheon, became operational 10 years ago. It comprises radar to detect the rockets; a command-and-control system that analyzes data provided by the radar; and the air-defense missiles that are then directed to intercept. Each missile costs about $40,000, so intercepting 1,200 incoming rockets is a very expensive proposition.
Whereas a lot of air defense systems are designed to counter ballistic missiles, the Iron Dome targets unguided rockets that remain at low altitudes. The system is effective up to a range of 70 kilometers (about 43 miles). At the same time, the Israeli military tries to locate and destroy the launchers within Gaza, many of which are mobile, and the rocket factories that make them.
Each battery has a firing-control radar to identify targets. It also has a portable missile launcher. The system is easily transportable, with just a few hours needed to relocate and set up.

The missile is highly maneuverable. It is 3 meters (almost 10 feet), long; has a diameter of about 6 inches (15 cm); and weighs 90 kilograms (198 pounds), the security analysis group IHS Jane's said in 2012.
The warhead is believed to carry 11 kilograms of high explosives, IHS Jane's said. Its range is from 4 km to 70 km (2½ miles to 43 miles).
The Iron Dome has also been repeatedly upgraded to be able to counter the threat from mortars, which stay in the air for a much shorter time than rockets, and most recently from drones. The IDF said on May 13 that the system had "intercepted a UAV belonging to the Hamas terror organization that crossed from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory," the first time a drone had been intercepted during combat.
Israeli military analysts regard the system as a great success in protecting civilians, but they see the Iron Dome as just one component of a broader military strategy.
"The IDF does not believe in the possibility of achieving victory in a war, campaign or a limited conflict through the defense," wrote IDF Dado Center researchers in 2015. "A victory always entails an offensive."

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#18 Post by AtomKraft » Wed May 26, 2021 7:35 am

I visited Jerusalem a few years ago and was startled at the huge scale of the wall. I remarked at the time that all they needed to finish the job was to roof themselves in.

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