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Re: CSG21

#21 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:06 pm

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Two people were killed doing the work, but not on my watch thank goodness!
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Which Chinese reef or islet in China's Sea should the Blaircrarft Carrier challenge first?

Should it be the biggest one? Or the smallest one?

Should it be the most British one? Or the least British one and work up from there?

Decisions decisions.

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#22 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:22 pm

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Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:06 pm
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Two people were killed doing the work, but not on my watch thank goodness!
Sleep is such a blessed thing.


Which Chinese reef or islet should the Blaircrarft carrier challenge first?

Should it be the biggest one? Or the smallest one?

Should it be the most British one? Or the least Brtitish one and work up from there?

Decisions decisions.

So you think that they may be tilting at coral when could be celebrating choral evensong back here in Blighty?

While I see where you are coming from with respect to the history of these things, it is hard not to feel that the running sandbars of Chinese imperialism should be challenged, and if so, then why not by a bunch of British types say I.

I mentioned crabs but I suspect that the RAF are sitting fuming that they can't be part of the fun, while their Lordships in the Admiralty sip good sherry and have some fun at the expense of the old duffers in the other services! :))

If imperialism be the thing, then better it is British what!

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Re: CSG21

#23 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:28 pm

You've made my point rather well, froglet.

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#24 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:31 pm

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You've made my point rather well, froglet.
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#25 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:05 pm

the RAF are sitting fuming that they can't be part of the fun
617 isn't!

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#26 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:18 pm

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the RAF are sitting fuming that they can't be part of the fun
617 isn't!
Thank you for reminding me...


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Re: CSG21

#27 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:57 pm

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Bull in a China shop, with a Murricane accent.

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#28 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:04 am

Is it CSG 21 because that is the year?

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#29 Post by G-CPTN » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:50 am

CSG21 is a British-led naval force currently deployed on Operation Fortis between May and December 2021.

The group will contain the largest number of Royal Navy maritime helicopters deployed in over 10 years.

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#30 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:01 am

G CPTN, I get that, I guess 21 is indeed the year in the same way out exercises were number by year, or Deutschland 83 etc.

Sort of suggests a plan for CSG 23 (22 heaven forbid).

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#31 Post by CharlieOneSix » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:16 pm

Documentary film maker Chris Terrill will be onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth for the duration of the deployment, in order to produce a documentary series for the BBC in succession to his two previous series about life on the carrier. No doubt UP will see CSG21 as an excuse for more.....
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#32 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:59 pm

I doubt very much that FCO/MoD will risk the Blaircraft carrier by putting her into Chinese territorial waters.

Carriers are terribly easy things to track and to sink and the Chinese have made very clear that their territory is not negotiable.

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#33 Post by G-CPTN » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:14 pm

It would be one way to get rid of a superfluous asset.

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#34 Post by Boac » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:10 pm

Chinese territorial waters
Define.

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#35 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:21 pm

The definition is 12 nautical miles (22.224km) from the Lowest Astronomical Tide line of any land or island or islet or shoal which protrudes above the low tide mark.

One exception is the US which has granted itself a 24 mile limit, but the civilised world uses the 12nm definition, not 24.

The land does not need to be inhabited or even inhabitable to qualify for the territorial water to be part of the territory, but the 200mn Exclusive Economic Zone only applies to habitable land. For example, Rockall, which is both uninhabited and uninhabitable has a 12nm limit but does not qualify as a baseline for the UK EEZ.

Building up an islet or submerged rock to above LAT, thereby increasing the surface area and extending the dimension in any direction, such as the British building an artificial island for Hong Kong's airport or the Japanese building one for Toyo's airport, does qualify as extending the baseline for the purposes of establishing the 12nm baseline. The Chinese have done this on several of their islands in the South China Sea. It's all perfectly legitimate in International Law.

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