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#1 Post by FD2 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:29 pm


Climate change stopping soldiers from training, warns military’s green tsar


Army finding it ‘too hot to train’, says Lt Gen Nugee, but Tobias Ellwood hits back and urges military to ‘adapt’

By Danielle Sheridan, Political and Defence Correspondent 16 September 2021 • 3:41pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... rys-green/

The military’s green tsar has said climate change is stopping soldiers from exercises as it is increasingly “too hot to train”.

Lt Gen Nugee, who advises the Ministry of Defence on making areas of defence more sustainable, warned that on land, a warm year in the 2000s will “broadly” become a typical year in the 2040s.

He said this in turn will impact the military’s “ability to train, as we lose more days to being too hot to train”.

“In Cyprus, the projection is that all training will be lost in August to heat,” he said.

In a speech at the Defence and Security Equipment International, Lt Gen Nugee referenced a recent study by the UK Met Office which identified that in temperate climates the number of days lost to training due to increases in temperatures is likely to rise by between 75 and 150 per cent by 2040.

However, Tobias Ellwood, the chairman of the Commons’ defence select committee, said that when he served as a soldier he was sent to Cyprus ahead of a deployment to Kuwait in order to acclimatise and urged the military to “adapt” to extreme climates, rather than becoming susceptible “too hot to train”.

Mr Ellwood said: “Increasing global temperatures does present new challenges to ensuring we have acclimatised troops to meet our Africa and Middle East commitments. But the answer is to learn to adapt, keep our troops healthy and hydrated rather than close down for a month. Our adversaries won’t stop for the weather and neither should we.”

Soldiers who are currently deployed on the UN peacekeeping mission in Mali, where temperatures reach over 50C, also acclimatised in order to prevent heat-related injuries before they deployed to the Sahel.

Lt Gen Nugee also raised concerns that higher temperatures in the air resulted in reduced air density, which resulted in less effective aerodynamic lift. He said that the effect on take-off runs, in terms of reduced payloads and fuel capacity and reduced climb rates meant that “increased runway length is one potential outcome”.

He added that climate change needed to be made a priority “for all kinds of reasons including recruitment”, as he said that there will be many potential recruits who debate a career with the Armed Forces based on its commitment to tackling climate change.


That would be a godsend for the terrorists who would probably have 'adapted' to these forecast climate changes.

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Re: Too Hot For Services to Train?

#2 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:31 pm

What do they do in equatorial countries?

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#3 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 pm

In the good old days it took weeks to sail the troops to the Tropics. Then they had to march hundreds of miles. Plenty of time to get acclimatised.

Cancel the airliner travel to war. Make the fekkers walk.

Fighting the gollies with our cold steel was something the locals weren't acclimatised to. Cold steel, the fuzzywuzzies don't like it up 'em, y,know.

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#4 Post by llondel » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:18 am

How did the 8th Army manage (apart from "badly", on occasion)?

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#5 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:05 am

Lt Gen Nugee also raised concerns that higher temperatures in the air resulted in reduced air density, which resulted in less effective aerodynamic lift.
I recall an early accident report, RFC, as the pilot attributed the crash to lack of lift in the air.

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Re: Too Hot For Services to Train?

#6 Post by Boac » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:20 am

Not an issue - we just decline to take any military action anywhere 'hot' because of lack of training opportunities.

I want a post in the cabinet, BoJo - I'm obviously well qualified.

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#7 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:31 am

Boac wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:20 am
Not an issue - we just decline to take any military action anywhere 'hot' because of lack of training opportunities.

I want a post in the cabinet, BoJo - I'm obviously well qualified.
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Re: Too Hot For Services to Train?

#8 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:42 am

llondel wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:18 am
How did the 8th Army manage (apart from "badly", on occasion)?
They got their knees brown slowly. They weren't flown from Brize Norton to Tobruk. They had to go the long way round in ships which had no airconditioning.

Their main problem in the desert heat was that they alternated between having the shits due to dodgy water and being constipated due to the rations. "You had to dig it out with a stick" was one comment I heard in a documentary about the Desert Rats.

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Re: Too Hot For Services to Train?

#9 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:49 am

=))
Boac wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:20 am
Not an issue - we just decline to take any military action anywhere 'hot' because of lack of training opportunities.
Unless there are sufficient 5* hotels.

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