Russian submarine collided with British warship part in rare event

[Undried Plum]

A Billion Quid's worth of war canoe is buggered by sea state 7!

What would happen if the weather gets bad?

Man the boats! Wimmin first!

[FD2]

The series hasn't been shown down here yet so I wait with eager anticipation! I can't think that it's the first time a Type 23 has encountered heavy weather so what was the problem with this one?

[Undried Plum]

A super marine against a submarine.

The super leaked. The submarine probably didn't.

There, I've saved you 50 minutes of your life.

[Undried Plum]

Nice buckets, though.

Much better than those old MoD rivetted sand ones of my yore.

[FD2]

So they shipped some salty water through a broken or ripped something on the upper deck?

[Pontius Navigator]

So they shipped some salty water through a broken or ripped something on the upper deck?

Gun mantle

[Undried Plum]

Yup.

That's about it.

Russia didn't invade through the Fulda Gap. The world didn't end.

Next episode will be next week, though. (If the pesky Rooskies haven't cut the telephone wire by then, as they do y'know )

[Pontius Navigator]

But bailing out with a dust pan and a hole in the gun mantle cover, oh dear. Did it not occur to anyone to turn the turret aft?

Apparently, the missile silo right behind the gun prevents that option. That option and the vulnerability of the barrel shroud is discussed over on Arrse.

Looking at the pictures it doesn't look as if it would stop it training aft except the A Arc might be limited to stop it shooting the bridge.

Saw a You Tube clip about a GW1 air defence, the US Carrier and escorting destroyer but put the Phalanx to automatic. Then the carrier fired chaff. Instantly the destroyer opened fire on the chaff. Put 220 rounds into the carrier. Then it did it a second time until a sailor stopped it.

[Boac]

It is not obvious from the filming, but I wonder if they ever worked out they had a leaky turret just above where the water was coming in................?

[Undried Plum]

just above where the water was coming in................?

Buggah!

I hate it when that 'appens.

Can't plan for that, can we?

[FD2]

So the Type 23, which has been in service since 1989, has been shipping water through the unmanned turret and into the control room ever since, and they haven't bothered to fix the problem? Or perhaps this might be classified as an unusual occurrence? I look forward to watching this strange saga idc.

The old twin 4.5 inch gun turrets were usually trained aft during heavy weather and of course it doesn't matter if the ship is not in action, so Northumberland could easily have done the same unless they were planning to fire some missiles. It might not have stopped the leak though. Keeping watch on the bridge was a bit unnerving though, staring down the barrels!

[Pontius Navigator]

FD2, despite the experts on ARRSE, I agree with you, they were afraid of hitting the barrel when they launched their anti air weapons against the Sun.

Will they have a Bear over flying them? Shades of Ixe Station Zebra

[FD2]

FD2, despite the experts on ARRSE, I agree with you, they were afraid of hitting the barrel when they launched their anti air weapons against the Sun.

Will they have a Bear over flying them? Shades of Ixe Station Zebra

I'm just going to have to wait until I see the programme. It all sounds a bit confusing second hand. They were presumably at a slightly higher damage control state than usual because of manoeuvring close to a large Russian sub and the danger of collision. If the gun turret was leaking sea water then training it 180 degrees towards the bridge may have stopped or reduced the ingress.The fact that the barrel was then obstructing some of the missile silos is neither here nor there because they were not at action stations or, presumably, defence stations either, because they were not in a combat situation - merely playing the old cat and mouse game with a Russian sub which was carried on from both sides all through the Cold War. Some of the encounters up in the Russian exercise areas were very exciting. What would they have fired the missiles at? - an open act of aggression - they simply didn't need missiles or the gun in this situation.

PN - the Sun?

[Pontius Navigator]

Sub
At the time they were not in contact with the sub but probably 200 miles from the operating area.
As far as scenarios go VIGIL wins hands down.

[Boac]

anti air weapons against the Sun

I bow to your superior knowledge of maritime ops, but.................? Why would anyone in their right mind fire 'anti-air' weapons at the 'Sun' (sub)? Does the Sea Ceptor have some unexpected capability?

[Pontius Navigator]

Only if it had been an Echo II or Juliette but I would be surprised if they still had them.

[Boac]

I would be surprised if they still had them.

So would the Russian navy! (Decommissioned nearly 30 years ago, don't you know) with or without the 'e'.

[Pontius Navigator]

..

[FD2]

Why would they have any of the weapon systems closed up? We're not at war (yet) with the Russians though Joe might nod off and miss something important at some critical point of the jousting. I think the simple but very effective Australian Ikara system was the last rocket propelled missile for ASW (and ASROC) in the States of course.

The orange coloured man (who had nothing whatever to do with the invasion of the Capitol ) contented himself with insulting dictators at a great distance (for redneck support back home) then kissing their backsides up close. Sorry about the political diversion.

[Pontius Navigator]

Dramatic hype by the production team.

I think any of us that have been lucky enough to brief the media or work with a production team will be aware how close events on screen are to reality.

Years ago film crew were making a dramatic film about the V-Force. A crew was briefed to react to an alert. Cameras were setup, the crew briefed and mustered stage left.

5, 4.3, 2, 1 Action - the cameras rolled, the tannoy clicked, and about 2 seconds later the crew exited stage right. CUT.

They had to redo it but much slower.