F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

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F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#1 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:10 pm

7 injured after F-35 jet crashes has "inflight mishap" on aircraft carrier in South China Sea

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(CNN)The pilot of a US F-35 jet ejected as his jet crashed on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier in the South China Sea injuring seven, the US Pacific Fleet said in a statement Monday.

The pilot was conducting routine flight operations when the crash happened. They safely ejected and were recovered by a military helicopter, Pacific Fleet said. The pilot is in stable condition.
Six others were injured on the deck of the carrier. Three required evacuation to a medical facility in Manila, Philippines, where they are in stable condition, according to Pacific Fleet. The other three sailors were treated on the carrier and have been released.
The cause of what the statement called a "inflight mishap" is under investigation.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#2 Post by Boac » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:03 am

They safely ejected
It was obviously over-loaded. Good ol' CNN.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#3 Post by Woody » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:43 am

How can we discuss an event like this with no METAR, bet they’ve got one on TOP :D
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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#4 Post by Boac » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:52 am

We can probably guess the wind direction.

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#5 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:13 am

Would it be better to crash on the flight deck or off the end in the water?

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#6 Post by Boac » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:23 am

I reckon there was not a lot of choice?

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#7 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:25 am

I was thinking about 'recovery and repair'.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#8 Post by Boac » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:28 am

Crashing on the deck would cause multiple problems for airborne aircraft if there is no 'alternate' landing site and also cripple the launch rate for the mother-ship.

IF one had the choice, crash into the oggin.

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#9 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:58 pm

At least the Navy F-35s are capable of vertical landing so a fouled deck is not a great issue.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#10 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:00 pm

US Navy wants to get crashed stealth fighter back -- before China can

More than just an "inflight mishap" ? :-?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/asia/us- ... index.html

Seoul, South Korea (CNN)The United States Navy is trying to retrieve its most advanced fighter jet from the depths of the South China Sea, an extremely complex operation that analysts say will be closely monitored by Beijing.

The F-35C, a single-engine stealth fighter and the newest jet in the US Navy fleet, crash-landed on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson during routine operations on Monday, the Navy said.
The $100 million warplane impacted the flight deck of the 100,000-ton aircraft carrier and then fell into the sea as its pilot ejected, Navy officials said. The pilot and six sailors aboard the Vinson were injured.

While damage to the Vinson was only superficial, and it and the carrier's air wing have resumed normal operations, the Navy faces the daunting task of attempting to pull the F-35 off the ocean floor in some of the most contested waters on the planet.
The Navy is giving scant details on its recovery plans for the F-35C, the first of which only became operational in 2019.
"The US Navy is making recovery operations arrangements for the F-35C aircraft involved in the mishap aboard USS Carl Vinson" is all a spokesman for the US 7th Fleet, Lt. Nicholas Lingo, would tell CNN on Wednesday.
Though the Navy has not revealed where in the South China Sea the crash occurred, Beijing claims almost all of the 1.3 million square mile (3.3 million square kilometer) waterway as its territory and has bolstered its claims by building up and militarizing reefs and islands there.
Chinese naval and coast guard vessels maintain a constant presence in South China Sea waters.
The US disputes those Chinese territorial claims and uses deployments like the one the Vinson was on to push its case for a "free and open Indo-Pacific."

There has been no official Chinese comment on the crash, with state media reporting it only citing "foreign media."
But China will almost certainly want to get a look at the lost F-35, analysts said.
"China will try to locate and survey it thoroughly using submarines and one of its deep diving submersibles," said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center in Hawaii.
Schuster, a former US Navy captain, said it's possible China could make a claim for the salvage rights based on its territorial claims in the South China Sea.
"Salvaging the plane with commercial and coast guard assets will enable Beijing to claim it is recovering a potential environmental hazard or foreign military equipment from its territorial waters," Schuster said.

But such an operation would present political risks, said Collin Koh, research fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
"To overtly go about doing this may risk worsening tensions with the US. I don't believe Beijing has stomach for that," he said.
"However, we can expect the Chinese to shadow, hang around and keep tabs on any such American salvage and recovery operation," Koh said.
Schuster said the US Navy will likely keep some presence in the area where the wreckage is believed to be in an operation that could take months, depending upon how deep under the South China Sea the F-35 is.
US salvage vessels are 10 to 15 days transit time to the site, Schuster said, and recovery once there could take up to 120 days.
Asked whether the US could just destroy the wreckage with a torpedo or an explosive charge, analysts said that was unlikely.

"My question is whether you truly leave behind nothing of potentially consequential intelligence bonanza amongst the scattered smithereens on the seabed -- which any interested party with the capability may still retrieve after all?" Koh said.
This US Navy recovery effort will mark the third time a country flying the F-35 has tried to pull one from the depths.
Last November, a British F-35B crashed on takeoff from the deck of its aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth into the Mediterranean Sea. Britain's Defense Ministry confirmed to news outlets in early January that it had been recovered in December amid worries the sunken aircraft could have been a target for Russian intelligence.
And after a Japanese F-35A crashed into the Pacific in 2019, worries emerged that it could be a target for Russian and Chinese intelligence.
But only small pieces of the Japanese aircraft were recovered by Japan as that plane is thought to have hit the water at full speed.
In the case of the Mediterranean crash and this week's mishap, the planes were moving more slowly, so more of the wreckage is be expected to be found.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#11 Post by k3k3 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:02 pm

PHXPhlyer wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:58 pm
At least the Navy F-35s are capable of vertical landing so a fouled deck is not a great issue.

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The US Navy F35C is the cat and trap variant, only the F35B is capable of vertical landing.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#12 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:28 pm

k3k3 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:02 pm
PHXPhlyer wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:58 pm
At least the Navy F-35s are capable of vertical landing so a fouled deck is not a great issue.

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The US Navy F35C is the cat and trap variant, only the F35B is capable of vertical landing.
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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#13 Post by Boac » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:20 pm

Said to be a picture of the USN going sailing in their F35. Why is the sea so frothy?

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#14 Post by k3k3 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:47 pm

Bomb bay full of Alka-Seltzer?

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#15 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:18 pm

Images emerge of one the US Navy's newest stealth fighters crashing into the sea

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/asia/us- ... index.html

Updated 9:12 AM ET, Fri January 28, 2022

Lockheed F-35C Lightning II of #USNavy that crashed near the northwest coast of Philippines 3 days ago. This happened due to pilot's mistake during landing on USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) aircraft carrier on January 24, 2022. VFA-147 Argonauts now has eight F-35Cs left.
Seoul, South Korea (CNN)Images have emerged of a US Navy F-35C stealth fighter crashing into the South China Sea earlier this week.

The F-35C, a single-engine stealth fighter and the newest jet in the US Navy fleet, crash-landed on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson during routine operations on Monday, the Navy said.
The $100 million warplane impacted the flight deck of the 100,000-ton aircraft carrier and then fell into the water as its pilot ejected, Navy officials said. The pilot and six sailors aboard the Vinson were injured.

Here's why the US doesn't want its F-35 wreckage to fall into China's hands 03:03
A spokesperson for the US Navy's 7th Fleet said Friday that an investigation into the incident is continuing while confirming images that have emerged on social media since the crash are genuine.
"The ship has assessed that the video and photo covered by media today were taken onboard USS Carl Vinson ... during the crash," Cmdr. Hayley Sims, public affairs officer for the 7th Fleet said.
A still photograph shows the stealth fighter floating on the surface of the South China Sea, its cockpit open and ejection seat missing.
A video shows the F-35 on its landing approach to the aircraft carrier but cuts off before the plane impacts the flight deck.
The Navy said earlier this week that the damage to the Vinson was only superficial, and it and the carrier's air wing have resumed normal operations.
An effort to recover the fighter jet from the bottom of the South China Sea had begun, said Lt. Nicholas Lingo, another 7th Fleet spokesperson.
Analysts said raising the aircraft would likely be a complex operation, and one that would be monitored by China, which claims almost all of the 1.3 million-square-mile South China Sea as its territory.
The F-35C contains some of the Navy's most advanced technology, and the analysts said Washington would want to keep it out of Beijing's hands.
However, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Thursday they were aware that a US Navy stealth fighter had crashed in the South China Sea, but "had no interests in their plane."
"We advise [the US] to contribute more to regional peace and stability, rather than flexing force at every turn in [the South China Sea]," China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#16 Post by llondel » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:32 pm

Shades of the Gloster Meteor in WW2 where they didn't want to deploy it to places where, if one crashed, it might give away secrets to undesired parties.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#17 Post by FD2 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:10 pm

What happened is simply explained by the children who put these things together for the Daily Mail. The ship might look a bit weird to you, but obviously they thought it was a clear and adequate explanation!


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#18 Post by llondel » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:14 pm

The ship definitely looks wrong. Did they mirror-image it? The aircraft has one hell of a wingspan too.

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Re: F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

#19 Post by FD2 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:26 pm

Yes - when you land the bridge etc is on your right. I think they might prefer to catch a wire rather than the deck but that’s being picky!

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#20 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:31 pm

It is indeed the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) reversed.
Note number on superstructure.

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