F-35 Crash On USS Carl Vinson

[llondel]

No wonder the pilot got confused and crashed then. Everything is in the wrong place on approach.

[barkingmad]

Predictably the rumour machine streaks into action with a fantastic theory as to why a jet like this fails to make it's scheduled landing run:-

https://realrawnews.com/2022/01/navy-pi ... -reaction/

Unless of course he had been watching the wrong things on the interweb and it was psychosomatic in origin, but then there'd be no alleged strangely rapid report from a US Navy "physician determined he had suffered an acute case of myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, a common and potentially deadly side effect of Covid-19 vaccinations."

However, if this assembly account is genuine, then there must be a few betty swallox in the higher echelons of the US military:-

https://rumble.com/vt7f7z-attorney-thom ... dings.html

There's something not quite right with the official narrative on the topic of "stab" safety, especially as the first reports were from civil aviation so better keep an eye on this unpopular issue?

Meanwhile back in good ole' Blighty we're up to 10 total loss B737NGs full of passengers fatalities according to officialdom:-

The Royal College of GPs has issued a statement opposing mandatory vaccination for NHS workers and there are reports that the policy is set to be put on hold.
The World Health Organisation has lowered the recommended age children are eligible for the Covid vaccine to five years old, whilst at the same time calling for the lifting of international travel restrictions for unvaccinated people and stating that there is no evidence that children and young people need booster shots.
The BMJ has called for access to the raw research data into the Covid vaccinations.
The U.S. CDC has published a report of COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations by vaccination status for California and New York which show that natural immunity from Covid infection offered better protection than vaccination during the Delta wave.
A proposed Arizona law would make employers who mandate the Covid vaccines liable for any adverse effects.
Austria has created a ‘Covid lottery’ with cash prizes to entice people to get the vaccine.
The Czech Government has ended all vaccine mandates.
Belgium no longer recommends Moderna for the first two vaccinations for people under 31 years of age.
The Norwegian government has offered the Covid vaccine to 5-11 year olds on a voluntary basis, with no general recommendation for this age group.
Case report in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases of constrictive pericarditis following Covid vaccination.
Eudravigilance – the European version of the Yellow Card Reporting system – as of January 15th has reported 3,354,705 reactions from 1,389,404 reports with 37,927 fatalities.
VAERS – the American version of the Yellow Card reporting system – as of January 14th reports a total of 1,053,830 reports of adverse events following Covid vaccines, including 22,193 deaths and 174,864 serious injuries.
DAEN Australia – the equivalent of the Yellow Card reporting system – has logged (up to January 9th) 101,186 reports of adverse events, including 737 deaths.
Children (Under 18) Adverse Events UK – up to January 12th, the MHRA reports a total of 2,868 adverse event reports, comprising 2,591 Pfizer, 250 AstraZeneca, 16 Moderna and 11 unspecified from 3,033,100 children vaccinated. This includes 53 reported cases with Pfizer and one with Moderna of myocarditis/pericarditis, suggesting a current risk of 13 cases per million first doses and 15 per million second doses for this age group.
Booster Doses – up to 41,060 adverse events have been reported across all vaccines up to January 12th from 36,079,875 people vaccinated, suggesting a reporting rate of one adverse event per 879 doses.
Summary of Adverse Events in the U.K.

According to an updated report published on January 20th, the MHRA Yellow Card reporting system has recorded a total of 1,429,071 events based on 436,173 reports. The total number of fatalities reported is 1,954.

Pfizer (25.5 million first doses, 22.2 million second doses) now has one Yellow Card in 160 people vaccinated. Deaths: 1 in 36,638 people vaccinated (696).
AstraZeneca (24.9 million first doses, 24.2 million second doses) has one Yellow Card in 103 people vaccinated. Deaths: 1 in 20,924 people vaccinated (1,190).
Moderna (1.6 million first doses, 1.4 million second doses) has one Yellow Card in 48 people vaccinated. Deaths: 1 in 53,333 people vaccinated (30).

But, as normal, nothing to see here, move along. Next slide please...

[FD2]

No wonder the pilot got confused and crashed then. Everything is in the wrong place on approach.

The Mail had to get something right eventually!

[Boac]

I've only once made an approach on a carrier, and that was in 1972 with Ark off Lossie in a Lightning - just for fun - and it scared the kecks off me, I can tell you. I thus have ZERO idea about how one 'does it' in an F35.

However, the purported video of this approach (right up almost to 'impact' but missing the 'interesting' bit) https://www.airlive.net/breaking-leaked ... nson/seems to show a very tight approach pattern to me with very little time to settle on the right flight path.

I wonder if there was a small element of 'JigJam' there? I guess as with all 'fighter pilots' there is an element of competition, but a bit expensive?

[llondel]

[revised]

You've got a space missing that breaks the URL.

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-leaked ... rl-vinson/

Try this one.

[llondel]

Sounds a bit like it was spooling up for a go-around as it went over the camera.

[FD2]

I was talking, (as an ignorant 'chopper puke' as they kindly called us) with an ex-Sea Vixen pilot who lives in New Zealand about landing techniques etc. Apparently they always spool up near touch down in case they miss a wire and have to do a 'bolter'. They never reduce power unless they catch a wire.

[Boac]

Thanks llondel.

Yes, full power at or just before touchdown is normal, but I think this approach was unstable anyway, possibly due to the Jigjam effect..

[Boac]

Now confirmed as (big) ramp strike.

[FD2]

Older aircraft used to be abandoned if they sank in water that was too deep but with all the secret squirrel kit the F35s are made with they should station several deep sea recovery ships around the globe or it might be easier to incorporate them in the task group structure! I wonder how the 'race to recover' the wreckage is coming along, though suspect China and her cohorts know most of the secrets anyway.

[Boac]

Yes, unstable approach confirmed!

[Boac]

Was there an engine failure of some sort that prevented a g/a?

"In the audio, a landing signals officer at the rear of the aircraft carrier can be heard yelling for the pilot several times to “wave off” – the order to abort the landing attempt and come around for another attempt before the F-35C collides with the stern of the carrier."

Puzzling, since the engine can be heard spooling up in the first video.

[Boac]

The 'rumour mill' is spooling up to announce that it might have been a 'young' lady pilot flying the aircraft.

Can I can see an approach with the 'Tailhook' dangling onto the USS Woke?

[barkingmad]

Some more from the rumour mill. I have no carrier experience whatsoever, apart from trying to overtake Ark Royal in a Shackleton where we did discuss the option of an approach, the idea was discounted due to the extreme lack of a sense of humour in 11 Group in those halcyon days.

Back to the present, there's a bigger problem for the US military if this allegation is true and it might outrank the search for and recovery of the heap of Top Secret scrap at the bottom of the oggin?

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/us-n ... it-vaccine

[Boac]

Is someone paying you? Can you be sure it was not an enuresis event?

[Boac]

A valid question is being asked in some circles. If the pilot mishandled the jet for what ever reason, be it the deadly CV vaccine, the known issue with the F35 Oxygen system, taken over by Canadian trucker protestors, a system malfunction etc etc, why continue to a devastating crash on the ship, risking scores of lives and injuries and damage?

Surely pointing the jet away from the ship (and schools) and ejecting would have been a nobler option? Obviously total incapacitation was not an issue, since the pilot managed to eject eventually.

[llondel]

A valid question is being asked in some circles. If the pilot mishandled the jet for what ever reason, be it the deadly CV vaccine, the known issue with the F35 Oxygen system, taken over by Canadian trucker protestors, a system malfunction etc etc, why continue to a devastating crash on the ship, risking scores of lives and injuries and damage?

Surely pointing the jet away from the ship (and schools) and ejecting would have been a nobler option? Obviously total incapacitation was not an issue, since the pilot managed to eject eventually.

Isn't that just overconfidence in ability to handle the ongoing problem right up to the point where it's obviously going pear-shaped and it's time to eject? "It can't happen to me" is a common cause of situation blindness.

[FD2]

A valid question is being asked in some circles. If the pilot mishandled the jet for what ever reason, be it the deadly CV vaccine, the known issue with the F35 Oxygen system, taken over by Canadian trucker protestors, a system malfunction etc etc, why continue to a devastating crash on the ship, risking scores of lives and injuries and damage?

Surely pointing the jet away from the ship (and schools) and ejecting would have been a nobler option? Obviously total incapacitation was not an issue, since the pilot managed to eject eventually.

Isn't that just overconfidence in ability to handle the ongoing problem right up to the point where it's obviously going pear-shaped and it's time to eject? "It can't happen to me" is a common cause of situation blindness.

I agree with all that apart from them danged truckers taking over, but if a control problem occurred and he was able to, then he should have steered away from the deck or if unable to manoeuvre just froze and stuck with it because of being worried about writing off $100,000,000 and it can't happen to him and in seconds he hits the deck. In less enlightened days some pilots were simply labelled as 'twitched'. Let's see if the USN experts can publish a believable cause - they must know by now. BTW - can Covid after effects include total incapacitation?

[Boac]

At least said pilot is alive to tell. Whether we ever hear.................?

[Boac]

It seems the USN very conveniently had another floating airfield close by or there would have been a lot more splashes.