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From where I sit, the whole team, from top to bottom (no pun intended...) has brought this pile of poop onto its own head. I am very unhappy. I see also from the Mail article that "A further five male officers have been disciplined internally by the RAF based on the claims made by Red Arrows team members, many of whom were junior and inexperienced female personnel." Since we know only of 2..........?? If they are pilots, that makes just about the whole team! Red 1 - what were you failing to do? I shudder to think of Montenegro sitting in charge of disciplinary issues!

Although the team can function perfectly under the leader, without the 'top cover' of the O/C Red Arrows, at this important time on a major tour of the ME I doubt that Red1 (and the rest of the team) can stay sufficiently focussed on important bits and reluctantly I join the call for a return to UK and a 'shut down' for however long is necessary.

I never thought I would ever write that!

The Reds still use the Hawk T1 whereas training is now done with the T2. Some years ago there was a question about availability of the T1 and provision of the T2. This could be the chance for naysayers to get a capability holiday.

One question is what is the acrobatic team for. The RAF continues to shrink and there is little shortage of applicants for pilot seats. Lots of displays by this obsolescence trainer are flown overseas, why?

Lots of displays by this obsolescence trainer are flown overseas, why?

A 'multiple' question!
1) In a typical year (of old) the team would fly somewhere around 120 or so PUBLIC displays. Shoreham plus other issues have significantly reduced that number.
2) Promotion of the UK and sales of UK military equipment NEEDS to happen abroad and it is reckoned the 'proceeds' more than cover the cost of the team.

Is "Operational Grounds" a euphemism for half of the team being fired?

Ex-Ascot wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:16 pm

.............I still wonder if all this fuss would have been made if it was just a front line Squadron not the display team. For goodness sake the things that went on which were swept under the carpet. I am sure that we can all recall a few.

Mrs 4ma commented that in all the time she was in the WRAF, she never had a problem when she was very much in a role which involved working closely with the crews. If they tried it on, they never asked her to make their coffee again.

As Flt Cdr Ops all the cabin crew (200) came under my command. Can't remember how many girlies but nearly half. Never had a problem, that was brought to my attention. I was aware of an affair between a married MALM and a Cpl but I think most of the Sqn knew. Didn't affect operational efficiency. In fact for some reason the plods became involved with that. I protected my chap.

As I suspected. One ringleader woman stirring up the *****.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... false.html

If that article is correct, then there should be some commissions terminated quite a bit higher up the tree.

Amd another one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ander.html

Love the last bit.

Last year, a book charting the glamorous, glorious history of the Red Arrows became a bestseller. It may now need an update – but that is problematic. Its author? Wing Commander David Montenegro...

"Forty-three personnel," complaining about it all - that's is one hell of a percentage of the team. Tragic.

A total failure of leadership, and this probably extends way up the slimy seniority pole, to well above Montenegro's level.

Quote lifted from a recent post on TOP:

The Reds exclusive, private flying club has closed down.

Based at RAF Waddington, RAFAT should benefit from integrating back into their parent organisation.

Almost repeats the words of AOC 1 Group when he announced to the assembled masses in Scampton's cinema that they were being moved from Kemble to Scampton in order "to bring them back into the Royal Air Force".

Hmm. That seems to have worked well, doesn't it?

Well, the team is on its way back from the ME via Cyprus. Soon back at Waddo with wives and loved ones. Let's hope they never meet up

Passed by a disused airfield South of Lincoln yesterday. Looked very forelorn, 4 dead E3 East Side I didn't see the Sentinels. Think they have gone. A light aircraft behind a shed. Someone had switched the lights off even.

There will be many empty buildings there, suitable for asylum seekers. Give them red overalls and easy to keep an eye on them.

Don't you think this should have been sorted out before Scampton closed?

The RAF has stated: "The MOD is selling RAF Scampton which it hopes to complete in early 2023 and the [Red Arrows] will relocate to RAF Waddington prior to this date. The MOD is exploring alternative airspaces to enable the Red Arrows to continue to train.

The new locals are not happy.



Eta: Silly me...expecting someone to think ahead.

It's even made the BBC Look North lunchtime news.

Woss wrong with RAF Warblington?? It cannot be that busy!

Bunch of Nimbys! I would be delighted to see the Reds practising overhead my house!

TheGreenAnger wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:07 pm

Bunch of Nimbys! I would be delighted to see the Reds practising overhead my house!

Totally agree, we would love them to relocate to Maun and use the flying training area above our house.