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#261 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:44 pm

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Re: Jimmy Harvey and Tito Withington (Part 2)

#262 Post by CharlieOneSix » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:55 pm

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........There was a lot riding on the accuracy and reliability of the jets’ Omega radio navigation system.
At one point in the early 80's a few months after the time of the Falklands conflict we had a VLF Omega system called Ontrac in our Bell 214ST helicopters as the prime offshore navigation system. It was hopelessly inaccurate at maintaining the offshore track structure and Aberdeen Offshore Radar was forever saying we were off track. Even when you got to the destination area 130nm or so offshore and there was more than one rig in the vicinity you could be up to two miles from where you thought you were. I remember once when we went to one of two similar adjacent rigs, separated by a mile or so, to do a visual identification before landing, one of the passengers tapped me on the shoulder and pointed to the other rig. He was right! So embarrassing! If it was working then you could ask the destination rig to turn on his NDB to aid identification but they weren't always available.
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Capt Gustavo Argentino Garcia Cuerva

#263 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:25 am

Slightly off track but following on from Meunier's book, and the Anglo Argentinians, was this interesting article.

https://www.keymilitary.com/article/wat ... le-missile

For those that claim the Operation Black Buck Vulcan raid had no real effect, this paragraph might give some pause for thought...

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On 1 May, 1982, on arrival of the British Task Force, Argentine military air operations got underway when Air Forces Daggers and Mirage MIII were launched from the mainland. In what was the first encounter, two Daggers, (C-437) and (C-430), piloted by Capt Moreno, and his wingman, Lt Volponi, met the two Sea Harriers of Lt Cdr Robin Kent (ZA175) and his wingman, Lt Brian Haigh (XZ498). Initially, both sections sought to shoot each other down, but when Kent launched an AIM-9L Sidewinder missile at Moreno’s Dagger, which was successfully avoided, both the Argentinians engaged afterburners and headed back to the mainland.

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A serious setback for the Argentinians, that same day, was the loss of three Mirages after another air battle with Sea Harriers. Two were shot down; 1st Lt Carlos Perona ejected over Pebble Island, and Lt José Leónidas Ardiles was killed when his Mirage was struck by a Sidewinder missile. The pilot of the third Mirage, Capt Gustavo Argentino Garcia Cuerva, decided to make an emergency landing on the short runway at Stanley since his fuel state was insufficient to reach the mainland. Cuerva had been one of the officers in charge of the reception of the Mirages when they were delivered to the country in the 1970s, and was one of the Mirage’s most experienced pilots. When Garcia Cuerva approached Port Stanley, the airport was in chaos as a consequence of the Avro Vulcan strike early that day, along with ensuing Sea Harrier attacks. The small Argentine Naval Aviation quarter, close to the control tower, had been hit. Fuel and oil stored there, together with parts of the two FIGAS Beaver seaplanes which had been removed to prevent use, were set on fire during one of these attacks. The runway had been struck, too, and one side rendered unusable by the impact of a 1,000lb bomb. Although Cuerva was being assisted in his approach by Argentine Air Force radar, the sudden apearance of the jet triggered an immediate and automatic response from the anti-aircraft defences, highly sensitised and nervous following recent attacks. The Mirage was repeatedly hit and its pilot unfortunately killed.
Cuerva wasn't the only unfortunate Argentinian pilot to be shot down by his own trigger happy forces, and there were many close calls too with the Argentinian Canberras. What with this kind of attrition due to command and control (IFF) failures, plus their bomb fusing problems, the Argentinian Air Force was on the back foot almost immediately.
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#264 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:58 am

"Jeff" Hawke. I was on the same Initial Training and subsequent flying training course in Canada as part of the then NATO scheme with Corny Hawke - as we called him - in 1955/56. Having got his B-25 - by interesting means !! - and taken it to the UK for filming The Battle of Britain movie, he rang me and offered me a flight. To my eternal regret I didn't take him up on the offer. (neither did he take me up in the Mitchell of course ! ). We can all look back on opportunities missed. The real reason behind his Aztec demise is still a puzzlement. Almost certInly foul play of some sort. I can't believe he mishandled an Aztec.

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Nadezhda Popova

#265 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:27 am

As the dazzling searchlights stabbed into the night sky, caressing her light biplane, Nadezhda Popova desperately twisted this way and that. She knew that a lethal hail of bullets would follow. She and her comrade were decoys, specifically tasked to attract German anti-aircraft fire, so as to allow the third aircraft in their formation to sneak in and mount an attack. Knowing that the powerful guns could rip their flimsy machines apart, it took nerves of steel to be an effective decoy.

And she had them in ample measure. She was a member of an elite corps of Soviet female pilots and one of very few women who fought during World War II. Her unit, the 588th Night Bomber Regiment, was later renamed the 46th Taman Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment, in recognition of its courage. In time, Popova rose to become its Deputy Commander.

Nadezhda ‘Nadia’ Vasil’yevna Popova was born in Shabanovka, Russia, on December 17, 1921. When she was still small, a light aircraft landed near her village. She took immediate fascination to aviation and joined a gliding school at the age of 15, without telling her parents. In 1937, she made her first parachute jump and first solo flight. Later, she braved her parents’ opposition to obtain her flying licence and by age 18 she became a flight instructor.

When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, Nadia volunteered to be a military pilot, only to be told that females were barred from combat. “No one in the armed services wanted to give women the freedom to die,” she later said. But with the German Panzer force advancing rapidly towards Moscow, and the available pilots clearly unable to cope, Joseph Stalin had to resort to desperate measures. In October 1941, he agreed to the deployment of three women’s air regiments, including the 588th Regiment. It turned out to be a smart move. Apart from helping shore up numbers, stories of brave women warriors make good headlines.

Night after night, Nadia Popova and her band of 18- to 26-year-old volunteers attacked the German forces. Although each of the three Polikarpov Po-2 aircraft in a mission had only a pair of light bombs apiece, they had enormous nuisance value. Besides, the German soldiers hated to confess that they were being harried by women. The aviators would fly very low to avoid being detected by German mobile radars. They would also avoid being aurally picked up by idling their engines near the target and gliding towards the bomb release point, with only the sound of wind in their wings to give them away. The German soldiers swore they sounded like witches riding on broomsticks and named them the ‘Night Witches’. The women took it as a compliment. After returning to base safely, they would have just minutes to relax before taking off for another gruelling flight. Every night, over 40 twowoman crews flew over eight sorties each. And in four years of conflict, they totalled over 30,000 combat sorties and dropped 23,000 tonnes of bombs. About 30 women lost their lives.

The Po-2 was a two-seater made of canvas and plywood with open cockpits. It was the world’s most produced biplane, with around 30,000 machines built from 1928 to 1952. Originally designed as a trainer and crop-spraying aircraft, it was hastily modified into a light bomber. It had rudimentary instruments, no radio and no weapon for self-defence. To save weight, most of the women pilots did not wear a parachute. They knew that even if they had one, their low operating heights meant that the parachute would not have time to open. If they were hit by the enemy, they would go down along with their aircraft. They flew only at night, to enhance their chances of survival. Therefore, they could not make too many precision attacks; but mostly resorted to harassment bombing of the German ground forces, rear bases and supply depots.

The Po-2’s top speed was just 82 knots. But the Witches learned to use this low speed, coupled with the biplane’s exceptional manoeuvrability, to survive more powerful enemy night fighters like the German Me-109. When attacked they would simply throw their Po-2s into a tight turn at low speed. Since this was well below the stalling speed of the Me-109, the German pilot would be forced to make a wider circle and come in for another attack, only to be evaded once more. The women would also fly so close to the ground that it was unsafe for the swift German fighters to follow. Ultimately the attackers would usually just give up and go.

Nadia Popova flew 852 sorties during the War and 18 in a single night over Poland in 1944. She became one of the most highly decorated Soviet pilots with awards that included “Hero of the Soviet Union”, the Gold Star Medal, the Order of Lenin, and three Orders of the Red Star. Did she ever feel scared? There was no time for that, Nadia later declared. Rather, it was the biting cold of winter that really hurt, giving the pilots frostbitten faces and frozen feet. They were poorly kitted with oversized handme-down uniforms from male pilots and their living conditions were Spartan. She also recalled that although they were heroines in the Soviet press, the male soldiers resented them and mocked them as ‘the skirt regiment’. They even had to endure some sexual harassment. Yet, they proved that neither courage nor fighting ability is limited to the male gender.
Nadezhda Popova died on July 8, 2013, at the age of 91.
https://www.sps-aviation.com/story/?id=2039

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#267 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:32 am



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Leonard Revilliod

#268 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:04 am

So who was Léonard Revilliod?

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F/O Léonard Revilliod, RAF.

He was actually a Swiss citizen, but whose mother Olga Garrigue Masaryk was the daughter of Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk, the first President of the newly formed Republic of Czechoslovakia in 1918. He was re-elected again in 1920, 1927 and 1934, resigning from office, at the age of 85 on 14 December 1935 on the grounds of old age and poor health. Tomáš Masaryk was amongst the first political leaders in Europe to voice concern about the rise to power of Hitler in Germany.

Shortly after her father became President, Olga met the eminent Swiss physician Dr Henri Revilliod, they married and lived in Geneva. Léonard, their second son, was born 26 July 1922 at Montreux, Switzerland, his brother Hubert born a year earlier. Both sons were were sent to the Collège Calvin a prestigious public school in Geneva for their secondary education, with Hubert commencing his final year when war was declared in September 1939. When Germany invaded France on 10 May 1940, their rapid advance caused concern to Olga, as Czechoslovakia was now a Reich Protectorate. She contacted Philipp Etter, the President of the Swiss Council, the Federal Government of Switzerland, to ensure that her sons would be regarded as Swiss citizens in the event of a German invasion of Switzerland. The President advised her that if Hitler invaded Switzerland, he could not guarantee anything. On the advise of her elder brother, Jan Masaryk, now Foreign Minister for the Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile, in London, Olga quickly left Geneva by train on 19 May 1940 and managed to travel through a chaotic war-torn France to reach England.

There, Léonard, passed his entrance exams to Edinburgh University where he studied Economics, International Law and Political Science and graduated in June 1942. Now aged 20, he wanted to join the RAF. Being a Swiss citizen he contacted the Swiss Embassy, London regarding this intention, who refused to give him permission on the grounds of Swiss neutrality and advised him that if he did join the RAF and survived the war that he would face charges and be brought to justice if he returned to Switzerland.

Despite this disturbing news, it did not deter Léonard; he joined the RAF Volunteer Reserve and initially underwent his basic training. He was selected for pilot-training and posted to 26 EFTS [Elementary Flying Training School] at Theale, he passed his basic flying training course on 23 October 1942. He was then posted to Canada for further training; initially to 33 EFTS at Caronport, completing on 20 March 1943, then to 32 SFTS [Service Flying Training School] at Moose Jaw, graduating on 15 May 1943 and then to 31 GRS [General Reconnaissance School] at Charlottetown completing the training in September 1943. Léonard was then posted to Nassau, Bahamas for operational training, on course 17, with 111 OTU which he completed on 19 March 1944.

He returned to Britain at the rank of P/O, and anticipated being posted to 311 Sqn (Czechoslovak) RAF. However he was posted to 1674 HCU [Heavy Conversion Unit] at Longtown, Northern Ireland where he trained to fly four-engined Halifax aircraft. He successfully completed his this training on 30 June 1944 and again anticipated a posting to 311 (Czechoslovak) Sqn.

Instead he was posted to 518 Sqn, a meteorological squadron, based at the Isle of Tiree, in western Scotland and equipped with four-engined Halifax Mk V aircraft, one of its crew would be a meteorological observer. Their role was to fly reconnaissance flights, usually 8 to 10 hours long, some 700 miles out into the North Atlantic and north-west to Iceland during which the meteorological observer would taking readings, at pre-set locations and altitude; measurements such as temperature and barometric pressure, these readings were vital weather forecasting aids in planning the strategic air offensive over enemy and enemy occupied territory. in June 1944, D-Day – the Allied invasion of Europe – was postponed for 24 hours as a small improvement in an incoming weather front had been observed by a 518 Sqn aircraft.

Léonard’s role, in the aircrafts eight man crew, was co-pilot flying these patrols but, in correspondence to his family, it was evident that he was frustrated and deeply disappointed at what he saw as a non-active role. On three separate occasions he requested to be posted to a Czechoslovak RAF squadron where he considered that he could have a more active participation in the Allied war effort. Unfortunately however before his requested posting was approved he died in a tragic flying accident; he was 22 years old.
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#269 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:51 am

the meteorological observer would taking readings, at pre-set locations and altitude; measurements such as temperature and barometric pressure
How did they know when they were at the pre-set altitude at which to measure the atmospheric pressure? Radalt?

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#270 Post by ian16th » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:13 am

If there was any sort of accurate radalt during WWII, it was very very secret.
The 1st remotely avcurate one I saw was Radalt V as fitted to the V- Bombers.
I did a course on it mid 1957. It didn't impress me as a product.
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Hardit Singh Malik...

#271 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:01 pm

Spent a happy 3 hours wondering around the rest of the Stowe Maries airfield and museum today and came across this chap.



Sardar Hardit Singh Malik CIE OBE (23 November 1894 – 31 October 1985) was an Indian civil servant and diplomat. He was the first Indian High Commissioner to Canada, and then Indian Ambassador to France.

He was the first Indian to fly as a pilot with the Royal Flying Corps in the First World War. He also played first-class cricket between 1914 and 1930.


Early life
The second son of Sardar Bahadur Mohan Singh and Sardarni Lajvanti, he was born in Rawalpindi, Punjab, British India(now in Punjab, Pakistan). Malik was the title bestowed to his grandfather Sardar Khazan Singh. He travelled to England aged 14, where he attended a prep school and then Eastbourne College, before reading history at Balliol College, Oxford, from October 1912, graduating in 1915. He achieved an Oxford blue in golf.

Malik appeared in 18 first-class cricket matches. He played in five County Championship matches for Sussex in 1914 and then returned to play for Sussex in 1921, also playing one match for Oxford University in 1921. He later played for Sikhs and then Hindus in the short-lived Lahore Tournament in India between 1923 and 1930. A right-handed batsman, Malik scored 636 runs with a highest score of 106; as a bowler, he took four wickets with a best performance of two for 92. He captained the team while at Eastbourne College, and also represented Oxford University in golf.

Read about this fascinating chap here....

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#272 Post by limeygal » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:37 pm

Caco's post reminded me of Dan-Air Captain Dennis Barty. He was one of life's gentlemen who died way too young.

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#273 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:04 am

limeygal wrote:
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Caco's post reminded me of Dan-Air Captain Dennis Barty. He was one of life's gentlemen who died way too young.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/3129
Most interesting and clearly a brave and skilful chap limeygal. Is there any other detail about his career at Dan Air?
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#274 Post by limeygal » Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:10 pm

He was a captain on the 707's. I only flew with him once-on a 12 day middle/far east trip. I never flew with him again. He was quite a reserved man, but very likeable. The trip was in May 1973. That's really all I know of him. I have a picture of him with the crew when we went fishing in Hawke's Bay, Karachi. I'll see if I can dig it out.

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John Anthony Logan Currie, DFC

#275 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:49 pm

John Anthony Logan Currie, DFC (7 December 1921 – 19 October 1996) was an officer in the Royal Air Force (RAF) and an author. After serving during the Second World War, he stayed on in the RAF and attained the rank of squadron leader. After he left the service he wrote a number of books on the RAF, three of which described his own experiences as a bomber pilot. His books portray life as it was in RAF Bomber Command during the course of the Second World War. Currie served as narrator in three BBC documentaries on the air war over Europe.

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#276 Post by CharlieOneSix » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:02 pm

There is an excellent article on Jack Currie in the latest FlyPast magazine - November issue - which dropped theough my letterbox last week. Thanks for posting those videos, not seen them before.
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#277 Post by CharlieOneSix » Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:57 pm

FlyPast also had an interesting article on John Sauvage, one of the 10% of aircrew who flew from the beginning of WW2 and survived until the end of it. He flew on 64 bomber raids. He later became MD of Britannia Airways and retired as Chief Executive of Thompson Travel in 1986. He died at the age of 100 in 2019.

His Daily Mail obituary here was excellent apart from the photo below. Hardly a Lancaster, more like a venerable Annie perhaps?
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#278 Post by ian16th » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:02 pm

I love the picture with the Lanc and the ultra smart ground crew.
The SWO would have been proud of them!

The GS screwdriver in the belt of the guy at the right is most authentic!
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#279 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:00 pm

CharlieOneSix wrote:
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FlyPast also had an interesting article on John Sauvage, one of the 10% of aircrew who flew from the beginning of WW2 and survived until the end of it. He flew on 64 bomber raids. He later became MD of Britannia Airways and retired as Chief Executive of Thompson Travel in 1986. He died at the age of 100 in 2019.
I was apt to read this month's copy of FlyPast on the basis of you earlier comment about the article on Jack Currie, so I bought a copy online from Pocket Mags. I enjoyed it so much, that I have taken out a year's subscription online. ;)))
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#280 Post by Woody » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:33 pm

I enjoyed it so much, that I have taken out a year's subscription online. ;)))
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