Drones - a hazard to aviation?

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Re: Drones - a hazard to aviation?

#81 Post by ian16th » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:43 pm

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From the BBC News website:
Det Ch Supt Jason Tingley told Sky News officers had found a damaged drone near the airport.

He said they would be working with the "forensic opportunities that the drone presents".
I wonder what caused the 'damage'?

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#82 Post by CharlieOneSix » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:28 pm

Gatwick Airport Limited has now offered a £50,000 reward through Crimestoppers for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for disrupting flights.
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#83 Post by Boac » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:53 pm

HMM! Shall we shop C16.....? Let me see, £50k divided by............... =))

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#84 Post by admin » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:04 pm

Just raised a thread "Modern Warfare" in Military ops relating to drones. Would like to see some application of our collected wisdom there. Thanks.

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#85 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:28 pm

The rozzers really have become a laughing stock over this thing.

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#86 Post by Boac » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:15 pm

The Crawley couple are now reported to be receiving 'medical attention' following their experience. Milk it, baby! It appears you deserve it :-bd

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#87 Post by Woody » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:12 pm

No departures from LHR due to reported drone activity near 27R :((
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#88 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:40 am

From the DM this morning; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... throw.html

Agree totally with the comments from BALPA.
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#89 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:17 am

If the controlling "signal" is jammed, or confused in any way, won't the drone just keep on flying in a straight line on its last heading, and therefore could still be a problem ? If the controlling signal is lost, does the Drone say, Oh! Damn ! I'd better land, and even if so it could still be a danger, surely better to have some system that causes them to implode ( or explode ) or otherwise self destruct.

Surely the only sure way is to insist that they are fitted from new with a transponder, or the new ADS(B) magic, and all purchasers must register their unique identifying mark with a newly founded Drone Control, maybe Boris could be in charge ! That way every drone could be seen, and he owner known.

Not going to happen. No doubt the do gooders/civil rights mob would demonstrate ?

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#90 Post by Boac » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:40 am

Does anyone know if the new 'equipment' disrupts the GPS input to the drone? If it does not, then a drone will surely continue flying its pre-loaded course (See Post #56, C16, Litchi), and if it does, what effect does the transmission have on navigation by GPS in the vicinity?

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#91 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:21 pm

It seems that lessons have been learnt from the Gatwick fiasco; from Sky News https://news.sky.com/story/heathrow-sto ... d-11602204
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#92 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Bolting horses and stable doors come to mind; BALPA and GATCO have been pushing for at least two years for the government to come up with appropriate legislation and for airports and aircraft to be protected from the threat of a drone strike.

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#93 Post by llondel » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:28 pm

Drones subject to jamming may do one of several things. Some may decide to land, some may just keep going on their original course, some may head to a pre-programmed GPS location (useful for recovery purposes, less so if Plod is in hot pursuit of your drone and you're at that location) and others may have a complete flight plan and therefore be oblivious to jamming attempts.

One could mess with the local GPS signals, but that's probably not a good idea around an airport.

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#95 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:20 am

It seems that Heathrow has installed an anti drone system; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... irbus.html

The statistics in the article show that drones are a problem that needs to be properly sorted before a major accident happens.
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#96 Post by llondel » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:28 am

Seems to be afflicting the US now, too: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46968419
Flights were grounded at Newark International Airport in the US state of New Jersey after two drones were spotted flying nearby.

A pilot told air traffic control that one of the drones came within 30ft (9m) of his aircraft.

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#97 Post by Karearea » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:15 am

Police took a drone being flown by a Chinese visitor at Fox Glacier on Monday.
Senior Constable Paul Gurney, of Haast police, said the drone was spotted by helicopter operators, flying over a hangar and aircraft on the ground.

Concerned staff followed the drone and located the operator at a nearby motel. Police were called and seized the machine.

A Chinese man (73) was officially warned for operating an unmanned drone in a manner which caused unnecessary danger to aircraft.

''Efforts are being made to step up information and warnings to visiting tourists about where they can fly drones in Fox Glacier,'' Snr Const Gurney said.

Police advise that anyone spotting drones near airports or aircraft bases should ring 111.
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#98 Post by Bob » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:58 am

Whilst I believe Drone airprox events and the Heathrow supposed Drone attacks are exagerrated and/or largely fiction, after attempted engagements with a handfull of drone operators of various ages I can only conclude that they need to outlaw the damn things, every one I talked to was either an idiot that didnt understand the damge they could do or just didnt give a *f*ck*, they were all breaking the rules even the few who claimed they had PFCOs
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#99 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:05 am

Did you see the video, posted here I think, of someone who deliberately flew his drone above the clouds to video cloudscapes.

It then failed to respond to commands, ran itself out of power, and landed who knows not where. It was eventually found by a walker.

These things should, at least, bear full contact details of the owner and be insured for £mmm.

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#100 Post by ian16th » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:51 am

How about a compulsory barometric switch, that switches the power off, if the device gets airborne?
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