Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
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Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
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http://www.megazone.org/ANP/tech.shtml
Nuclear rocket engines seemed more likely...Raymond Clare Briant, who was then the director of the ANP Project stated that "manned nuclear aircraft pose the most difficult engineering development job yet attempted within this century."
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
Didn't some Septic lot look at using the Saro Princess?
Cynicism improves with age
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
About as much understanding as this classic:
Life may not be the party you hoped for, but while you're here, you may as well dance.
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Just wait until you have grappled with the fascinating facts associated with the Katabatic Confabulator!
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
Fascinating stuff, TGG - where are we now?
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It is fascinating isn't it. Kennedy bought the initial jet engine programme to a halt (after about 1 billion 1960's dollars had been spent). A single working engine was actually tested on a much modified Convair B-36 Peacemaker but it was clear that a flying nuclear reactor was a potential flying disaster area in the case of an accident, and not least because the amount of shielding required to protect the pilots made the the whole aircraft design enormously heavy and the whole idea was quietly put to bed.
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
Yes, I can see the aircraft system is probably a non-starter. I was really wondering about the space side.
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
A Billion Dollar boondoggle banjaxed by JFK.
The list of suspects just keeps on getting longer!
The list of suspects just keeps on getting longer!
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The space side is a lot more hopeful.
Project Orion
Nuclear Plasma Pulsed Propulsion
Nuclear Thermal Rockets
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
and then there is also antimatter... (notwithstanding the fact that the cost of producing even a gram of antimatter would be literally astronomical)...
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/ne ... eship.html
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/ne ... eship.html
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A bit more on "storing" anti-matter from WIkipedia...TheGreenGoblin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:42 amand then there is also antimatter... (notwithstanding the fact that the cost of producing even a gram of antimatter would be literally astronomical)...
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/ne ... eship.html
https://home.cern/science/physics/antim ... tihydrogenAntimatter cannot be stored in a container made of ordinary matter because antimatter reacts with any matter it touches, annihilating itself and an equal amount of the container. Antimatter in the form of charged particles can be contained by a combination of electric and magnetic fields, in a device called a Penning trap. This device cannot, however, contain antimatter that consists of uncharged particles, for which atomic traps are used. In particular, such a trap may use the dipole moment (electric or magnetic) of the trapped particles. At high vacuum, the matter or antimatter particles can be trapped and cooled with slightly off-resonant laser radiation using a magneto-optical trap or magnetic trap. Small particles can also be suspended with optical tweezers, using a highly focused laser beam.
In 2011, CERN scientists were able to preserve antihydrogen for approximately 17 minutes. The record for storing antiparticles is currently held by the TRAP experiment at CERN: antiprotons were kept in a Penning trap for 405 days. A proposal was made in 2018, to develop containment technology advanced enough to contain a billion anti-protons in a portable device to be driven to another lab for further experimentation.
Cost
Scientists claim that antimatter is the costliest material to make. In 2006, Gerald Smith estimated $250 million could produce 10 milligrams of positrons[76] (equivalent to $25 billion per gram); in 1999, NASA gave a figure of $62.5 trillion per gram of antihydrogen. This is because production is difficult (only very few antiprotons are produced in reactions in particle accelerators) and because there is higher demand for other uses of particle accelerators. According to CERN, it has cost a few hundred million Swiss francs to produce about 1 billionth of a gram (the amount used so far for particle/antiparticle collisions).In comparison, to produce the first atomic weapon, the cost of the Manhattan Project was estimated at $23 billion with inflation during 2007.
Several studies funded by the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts are exploring whether it might be possible to use magnetic scoops to collect the antimatter that occurs naturally in the Van Allen belt of the Earth, and ultimately, the belts of gas giants, like Jupiter, hopefully at a lower cost per gram.
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
No good will come of muckin' abaht wiv anti-matter, mark my words...
Reminds me of a science-fiction story I read, The Ifth of Oofth—by Walter Tevis - 8 pages, can be read at this link:
http://johnesimpson.com/pdf/Ifth_of_oof ... rtevis.pdf
Reminds me of a science-fiction story I read, The Ifth of Oofth—by Walter Tevis - 8 pages, can be read at this link:
http://johnesimpson.com/pdf/Ifth_of_oof ... rtevis.pdf
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Re: Nuclear power plants in aircraft....
Now where did I put my stock of dilithium crystals?
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Tesseracts and the like are a lot of fun but when it comes to monkeying around with multiple dimensions or black holes or antimatter one must keep off the sloe gin and avoid stabbing anything with red hot pokers!Karearea wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:22 amNo good will come of muckin' abaht wiv anti-matter, mark my words...
Reminds me of a science-fiction story I read, The Ifth of Oofth—by Walter Tevis - 8 pages, can be read at this link:
http://johnesimpson.com/pdf/Ifth_of_oof ... rtevis.pdf
One good science fiction story deserves another... By Robert Heinlein.
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^ amusing and intriguing story - thank you
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Dilithium crystals are so yesterday. Alcubierre warp drives utilising tachyon fields are all the rage these days!
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DilithiumDilithium is an element, a member of the hypersonic series, primarily occurring as a crystalline mineral. It was used to control the power of the warp drive systems of many starships by regulating the matter-antimatter reaction in a ship's warp core because of its ability to be rendered porous to light-element antimatter when exposed to high temperatures and electromagnetic pressures. It controlled the amount of power generated in the reaction chamber, channeling the energy released by mutual annihilation into a stream of electro-plasma.
Alternative local names for dilithium included radan and winter's tear. (TOS: "Elaan of Troyius"; VOY: "Muse")
Dilithium consisted of spiral molecules. (TAS: "T"he Terratin Incident")
Under certain rare circumstances, dilithium deposits could form in such a way that the crystals grew into perfectly aligned lattices. If enough dilithium was present, it began to form "generator strata". A piezoelectric effect occurred when the crystals took the radiant heat of the planet and converted it into mechanical energy. This mechanical energy could increase tectonic stresses in a planet's crust to the point where the planet literally tore itself apart. This phenomenon was responsible for the destruction of a number of planets in the Selcundi Drema sector.
The number of planets destroyed in the Selcundi Drema sector by the process described above in that episode suggests that for some reason the region had a much higher "population" of dilithium bearing planets than would otherwise be expected.
One method of detecting the potential presence of dilithium deposits during a geological survey was by studying UV absorption patterns. Certain characteristic patterns tended to indicate the presence of traker deposits, which were commonly formed along with the dilithium ore. An ico-spectrogram could then be run to confirm the ore's presence. (TNG: "Pen Pals")
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Dr Miguel Alcubierre on the warp drive...
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