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Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:39 am
by John Hill
This may be a silly question but I will ask anyway...

There is a group who wish to return an ex-Air New Zealand 747-400 and position it at the town of Wanaka where it would form part of a museum and possibly an accommodation venture.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/air-n ... ZKLQ6FUDU/

I understand the aircraft could be flown to NZ and the intention is to land at Christchurch and road transport to Wanaka, a journey of about 500kms.

The runway at Wanaka is far too short at 1200m x 300m and presumably low bearing strength.

However there is considerable flat agricultural land in the area and my question is 'Just how naïve would it be to suggest a temporary, one use only, runway be prepared to accept a minimum weight 747-400?'

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:52 am
by G-CPTN
Is one allowed to load the 747 with helium?


And what about the use of skis?

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:59 am
by John Hill
G-CPTN wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:52 am
Is one allowed to load the 747 with helium?

No but we have a high pressure budgie breeding program already underway.


Skis, now that might be worth consideration.

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:42 am
by llondel
They could probably get a 747 down on a 1200m runway if they took the seats out. They used to land the BA 747s at Cambridge, which is 1900m, for maintenance. However, if it's soft it might not do too well.

On the other hand, they did land (deadstick, too) and then fly out a 737 from a levee near New Orleans once, so there is precedent for a lot of weight on an unprepared surface. Do it at the height of summer when the ground is hard.

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:43 am
by John Hill
The existing runway is presumably of low bearing strength as I understand it will require work before handling ATR72 aircraft.

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:16 am
by Pontius Navigator
It would help braking.

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:09 am
by Boac
JH - is this the same project as viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6071 ? If so, which topic should we post on?

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:08 pm
by Rwy in Sight
Aren't the dimensions of the runway a bit wrong width wise?

Re: Heavy aircraft on natural surfaces?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:34 pm
by John Hill
Boac wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:09 am
JH - is this the same project as viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6071 ? If so, which topic should we post on?
I seem to have confused this somewhat. I had intended the other topic to be a pointer to this one but it has not worked out that way... ^:)^