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Synthetic fuel RAF record.

#1 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:53 am

RAF sets world record for first successful flight powered by synthetic fuel
The RAF has set a new world record after completing the first successful flight using only synthetic fuel.

Earlier this month, Group Captain Peter “Willy” Hackett completed a short flight out of Kemble Airfield, Cotswold Airport on an Ikarus C42 microlight aircraft – the first flight ever powered entirely by synthetic gasoline.

The synthetic gasoline used in the flight, which has been awarded a Guinness World Record, was Zero Petroleum’s UL91 fuel.
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#2 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:28 am

Not quite the first.

The Luftwaffe made extensive use of synthetic fuel. They synthesised petrol from coal using a process provided to them by Nazi sympathiser Henri Deterding of the Dutch bit of Shell and funded by Nazi sympathiser Prescott Bush of the Bush Crime Family.

At current present wholesale prices of electricity, how much does it cost to produce a gallon of this magic jungle juice?

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#3 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:16 am

I wonder what attribute earned him the nickname of 'Willy'?

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#4 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:34 am

His surname?

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#5 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:31 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:28 am
Not quite the first.

The Luftwaffe made extensive use of synthetic fuel. They synthesised petrol from coal using a process provided to them by Nazi sympathiser Henri Deterding of the Dutch bit of Shell and funded by Nazi sympathiser Prescott Bush of the Bush Crime Family.

At current present wholesale prices of electricity, how much does it cost to produce a gallon of this magic jungle juice?
Are you talking about the Fischer-Tropsch process used later, extensively in South Africa, with huge processing complexes in Sasolburg and Secunda? It is the most "un-green" process you can think of. I visited my chemical engineer brother in law (who has a number of patents in this processing field) and my sister in Sasolburg, with my then Welsh girlfriend and about 25 kilometers outside Sasolburg, she exclaimed "what's that dark cloud in the sky". It was the particulate haze from the plant. The smell of Sulphur in the air is always there in that place.
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#6 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:37 pm

Why is this an 'RAF record'? Was he on duty and flying an MOD aeroplane?

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#7 Post by llondel » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:52 pm

The best way to do synthetic fuel from electricity is to set up your own solar or wind farm and use the power from that. That's the principle behind the hydrogen cars, generate the power using renewables and produce hydrogen which can be stored and either used when the renewables are off-line or transported to where renewables aren't cost-effective.

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#8 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:04 pm

Boac wrote:
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Why is this an 'RAF record'? Was he on duty and flying an MOD aeroplane?
RAF’s Project MARTIN, which was initiated by the Rapid Capabilities Office in June.
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#9 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:27 pm

Hmm. Presumably the fuel cannot be used in a Chipmunk or Bulldog, then? Tenuous, I feel.

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#10 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:11 pm

Boac wrote:
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Hmm. Presumably the fuel cannot be used in a Chipmunk or Bulldog, then? Tenuous, I feel.
I think the days of 100 and 100LL are truly numbered....
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#11 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:17 pm

Are you are saying all small aircraft piston engines need to be replaced to run on the new fuel?

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#12 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:25 pm

Boac wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:17 pm
Are you are saying all small aircraft piston engines need to be replaced to run on the new fuel?
I suspect, lead additives, may be required in many cases... ;)))

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In the report, Options for Reducing Lead Emissions from Piston-Engine Aircraft, the NAS notes the environmental and health implications of lead use, but also recognizes the complex marketplace, technological, and economic barriers to a "drop-in" solution. EAA was asked to provide input during the early stages of the report, as the association has been involved with leaded fuel alternatives beginning with EAA's groundbreaking unleaded auto-fuel research in the 1970s.

The NAS also noted that simply eliminating 100LL is not a viable option, given the importance of general aviation aircraft that use the fuel to the nation's transportation system. In addition, the inability of GA aircraft to use auto fuel containing ethanol eliminates that option due to the effect of ethanol-blended fuels on aircraft systems and operational safety.

"The National Academy of Science research group reiterated what EAA has been saying for many years – that working toward a viable fleet-wide replacement for 100 low-lead fuel is the only complete solution, but that despite concerted effort, formidable technological barriers have prevented success thus far," said Sean Elliott, EAA's vice president of advocacy and safety. "It is our hope that this study will assist Congress, the FAA, and other government agencies in better understanding the challenges we face in eliminating lead from aviation fuel and encourage them to dedicate the resources necessary to help make that outcome a reality."
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#13 Post by Boac » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:28 am

Makes that 'record' somewhat irrelevant, really? What next? legislation to ban 'traditional' engines by 2030? Mr Shapps will not like it.

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