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Teterboro fiasco...

#1 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 09, 2021 9:47 am

I had never seen or heard of this ill fated approach before...

https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-l ... o-2-killed



Feel stressed just listening to that... totally needless...

Depressed, feeling a slump, then remember Lift = Coefficient of Lift x 1/2 x ρ x V-squared X S!

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Re: Teterboro fiasco...

#2 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon May 10, 2021 12:13 pm

Some sensible comments about this case study...
Case Study: Learjet 35 N452DA. On May 15, 2017, a pair of poorly qualified Learjet 35 pilots so badly scared their passengers flying into Philadelphia, the passengers decided to rent a car and drive instead to their next stop, Teterboro. The pilots continued on empty and crashed a mile short of their intended runway. It was a challenging day at Teterboro, with gusty winds and the need to circle from an ILS to an adjacent runway. These pilots didn't know the difference between an IFR circling approach within circling radii at minimum descent altitudes and the need to visually maneuver from one runway to another. This just brushes the surfaces of the knowledge and skills these pilots lacked, and yet they somehow became qualified to fly their jet with passengers.

Of course these pilots didn't set out in their Learjet with the objective of doing something they were ill prepared to do. I think had they undergone a peer review at some point before finding themselves having to negotiate challenging winds at an airport that is a challenge even on a day with calm winds, they might have been given a wakeup call. At the very least, the peer could have sat down with them and told them they were at risk and talked some sense into them.

Keep in mind that this hazard isn't limited to poorly qualified pilots, it also happens to good pilots who fail to keep up with changes to their aircraft or the industry. Think of how lost an international procedures expert from just ten years ago will be today in the North Atlantic Track System. If you don't keep up, you fall behind.

I've seen this many times over the years. I once gave a line observation to a pair of Falcon pilots who didn't understand their takeoff minimums are different at most Canadian airports and politely pulled out the appropriate minimums chart before they fired up their aircraft's APU, hours before the visibility would be sufficient for takeoff. I might have saved them a violation or perhaps just some embarrassment. But I hope I gave them cause to understand the need to better prepare themselves for flights outside their home country.
http://www.code7700.com/peer_review.htm

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Re: Teterboro fiasco...

#3 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon May 10, 2021 12:26 pm

Depressed, feeling a slump, then remember Lift = Coefficient of Lift x 1/2 x ρ x V-squared X S!

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#4 Post by Boac » Mon May 10, 2021 3:03 pm

"If you are going to crash, do it properly"? Wise pax.

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#5 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon May 10, 2021 3:28 pm

Boac wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 3:03 pm
"If you are going to crash, do it properly"? Wise pax.
I have been trying to find evidence that the passengers abandoned this flight, but it seems that this was simply an "empty leg"...

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#6 Post by CharlieOneSix » Mon May 10, 2021 9:44 pm

That CVR transcript is horrifying - how on earth were those two ever thought to be competent.
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