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Re: Don't touch it until I say "Now"

#21 Post by ian16th » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:29 pm

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Well, it was successful but the deep tyre marks in the grass were an unintended consequence and everyone agreed that it was a good thing that the Beverley had fixed landing gear.
But it was OK, it was designed to operate from grass/unprepared strips!
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#22 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:42 pm

If ideas such as the Beverley were so wonderful, how come they are no longer in use?

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#23 Post by boing » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:12 pm

They are. It's called the C130 Hercules.

Perhaps the true derivative of the Beverley was the Belfast.

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#24 Post by Sisemen » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:31 pm

And then there was the opposite with the Buccaneer where undercarriage retraction could be achieved as soon as the wings took the weight off.

Seen some remarkable departures at Honington because of that.

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#25 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:57 pm

boing wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:12 pm
They are. It's called the C130 Hercules.

Perhaps the true derivative of the Beverley was the Belfast.

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Quite amazing how successful the C130 is/was whereas the the Beverley disappeared into oblivion very early on, which from a nerdish point of view is quite sad because the Beverley was a quirky, typically British answer to a specific aviation task. I guess there must be folks here that fettled/flew that oddball of an aircraft. :)

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#26 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:08 pm

Thread drift, maybe, but Aussies have been clever inventors:- Aussie inventions

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#27 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Is it essential that examples of aircraft such as the Beverley are preserved for the current generation (and maybe some of the veterans) to see and touch, or is nostalgia an expensive indulgence that society cannot afford?

This is the last surviving Beverley in the world.

Now at Fort Paull:- http://www.fortpaull.com/exhibits.aspx.

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#28 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:30 pm

There really were some odd pairings. Perhaps the Beverley to Buccaneer was the strangest but there were others though:

Fairey Rotordyne and FD2
Bristol Britannia and the 188
Saunders Roe and the 177
Hawker Hunter and Nimrod

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#29 Post by boing » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:35 pm

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A question that I ask myself about so many subjects, can youngsters with no actual physical contact with an artifact feel as we do? We touched these things, we operated these things, we remember the distinctive smell and the characteristic sound. We were there in the darkness as engines started, we stood under palm trees in the Far East sheltering from the rain as our flight home taxied into the dispersal.

I really don't know if we could ever pass the experiences and feelings on to a new generation who only see before them an "old" machine, perhaps, to inspire the few that we would have liked to have been with us it may be worthwhile.

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#30 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:52 pm

Boing, so right. At Finningley when things were more relaxed and accessible this chap asked if he could 'look' in the Lancaster.

He went up the ladder, closed his eyes, and took a deep breath just to experience the unique smell even after a period of 25 years.

Or round a museum to see strange artifacts, often misdescribed, that were regular tools of the trade. I had a compass corrector key, meaningless to the uninitiated, but standard issue to all navigators in the 60s.

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#31 Post by Rwy in Sight » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:45 pm

I like to point out that when we used that techonology it was not ancient/old or kind of unique it was a workhorse offered to do a job. When I was flying in a 727-200 in the late 70's , until the A300 come along I thought the Boeing jet was absolute state of the art. I am not sure it makes sense.

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#32 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:40 pm

My son was born in 1977.
For his belated 30th birthday (his wife was having their first baby in 2007 so things were overlooked) he asked to go to his first airshow.
I was lucky enough to be able to use my contacts to secure VIP tickets to Farnborough 2008 and the reappearance of the Vulcan was the obvious star for us both.
To be able to show my son what I had experienced when Vulcan was in service brought us both to tears as it rotated directly in front of our VIP grandstand seats - something that a mere static airframe in a museum could never convey.

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#33 Post by boing » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:19 am

There is a mystic link between man and his tools and, indeed, his machines and his weapons. As an archer I have five bows, four of them made by hand by the same man, all are good but one of them vibrates with me, picking it up to take to the butt is rather like calling your dog for a walk. Only the one bow induces this feeling.

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#34 Post by Sisemen » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:41 am

The Beverley at Fort Paull is in desperate need of protection otherwise it will end up as a pile of scrap metal. I’m surprised that Cosford or Duxford can’t give it a warm weather-proof home rather than leaving it sitting on a dank misty Humber mudbank.

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#35 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:34 am

Could the Beverley carry troops and 44k freight?

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#36 Post by Sisemen » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:18 am

This was it a few years ago. It'll be in a worse state now. :(
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#37 Post by larsssnowpharter » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:02 am

Sometime in the mid 70s I was on a USAF base somewhere in the USA and chatting with a USAF colonel who had done exchange tour with the RAF.

He had a beautiful line about the Beverly:

"Great ship! Could take anything nowhere."

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#38 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:09 am

To answer my question above, looks like it could carry 130 paratroopers. I think it could handle a larger load, height and width, than the Herc.

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#39 Post by ian16th » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:32 am

ian16th wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:24 pm
I bet no one mentions the Beverley on this thread.
Its not often I'm right, but Jeez was I wrong on this one!

Its not thread drift, its taken over.
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#40 Post by Capetonian » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am

He had a beautiful line about the Beverly:
"Great ship! Could take anything nowhere."
I briefly had a g/f called Beverly. She could take anything anywhere, any time. I suspect she ended up in the gutter, poor thing, which was pretty much where she came from. After she stole money from me by fraudulently using my credit card and blaming the maid, I kicked her out.
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