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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#4161 Post by Bob » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:45 pm

Everybody knows that walls work.

You look at different places they put up a wall, no problem.

Look at San Antonio. You look at so many different places.

They go from one of the most unsafe cities in the county to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.

The Above Quote implies San Antonio got safe immediately, immediately after building a wall...it's a Lie, San Antonio doesnt have a wall.
The person quoted must be one of 2 things a mendacious arsehole or a huge **** moron

I'll give you 3 guesses who this person is, no make that one guess, you got it, it's him........who else could it possibly be?

How can anyone in their right mind defend this ***** of a human being?
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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#4162 Post by Bob » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:47 pm

Slasher wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm
I refuse to ever answer your posts..."Bob"...

Oh dear, you just did.....Idiot
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#4163 Post by Seenenough » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:18 am

Bob wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:47 pm
Slasher wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm
I refuse to ever answer your posts..."Bob"...

Oh dear, you just did.....Idiot
Yes ,yes Bob,Liar,Effing Idiot ,moron,A hole,Cheeto ,P Grabber what ever .You,Bo,Caco,Plumb seem not to be able to understand there there is a sizeable potion of US Citizens who do not necessarily agree with your points of view.

Last I saw democracy and feedom was based on the fact that everone is entitled to their own views of things.

Here is a really really simple question for you Bob-How many people should the USA give residence to each year .Lets see of you duck it the same as every Democrat and Anti -Trumper does.

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#4164 Post by BenThere » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:03 am

Actually, San Antonio at one time had a wall, but it wasn't big enough, and there weren't enough Texans and Tennessee Volunteers to keep it out of the hands of the invading Mexicans 180 years or so ago. But the defenders fought the good fight, and their glory lives in the veins of American patriots today. I don't think Bob appreciates that kind of stuff.

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#4165 Post by Stoneboat » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:58 am

Actually, San Antonio at one time had a wall, but it wasn't big enough...
"Twice he charged then blew recall,
On the fatal third time
Santa Ana breached the wall,
And he killed them one amd all.
Now the bugles are silent
And there's rust on each sword..."

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#4166 Post by John Hill » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:10 am

I had a look at what Wiki had for 1839..
1839
March - An uprising of Nacogdoches-area Tejanos who did not support independence from Mexico culminated in the Córdova Rebellion and its defeat at Battleground Prairie in Guadalupe County.
July 12 - The Cherokee under The Bowl accept President Lamar's proposal of compensated relocation to the adjacent Arkansas Territory in the United States but refuse to begin preparations for departure.
July 15 - The first day of the Battle of the Neches repulses a Cherokee attack against the Texian army under General Kelsey Douglass.
July 16 - The second day of the Battle of the Neches ends in a rout of the Cherokee, scattering them and their allies from their settlements on the upper Neches. Generals Rusk and Burleson command the Texians, and Vice President David G. Burnet and Secretary of War Albert Sidney Johnston are both wounded. Both Cherokee chiefs, The Bowl and Big Mush, are killed.
September 25 - France recognizes Texas's independence.
October - The capital of the republic is moved from Houston to the seventh and final location of Austin.
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#4167 Post by Slasher » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:58 am

Seenenough wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:18 am
You,Bo,Caco,Plumb...
Caco's ok Seen. He rarely makes snide one-liners and he does give argument that sometimes gives food for thought, though his view may be opposing. He also doesn't degrade the person to whom he is giving a contrary argument although he does so to Ben a lot (but I wish he wouldn't).

Besides, Ben is one of those extremely rare people who still take real pride in their home country. How many could honestly say the same? I couldn't give an ounce of sh!t about Oz, and I don't think most Americans nor Brits really give a crap about theirs these days despite their personal public facades. Ben is the exception.

Pride of one's country's history yes, but pride in one's country's present I seriously don't think so.

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#4168 Post by Cacophonix » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:26 am

Seenenough wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:18 am
Bob wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:47 pm
Slasher wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm
I refuse to ever answer your posts..."Bob"...

Oh dear, you just did.....Idiot
Yes ,yes Bob,Liar,Effing Idiot ,moron,A hole,Cheeto ,P Grabber what ever .You,Bo,Caco,Plumb seem not to be able to understand there there is a sizeable potion of US Citizens who do not necessarily agree with your points of view.

Last I saw democracy and feedom was based on the fact that everone is entitled to their own views of things.

Here is a really really simple question for you Bob-How many people should the USA give residence to each year .Lets see of you duck it the same as every Democrat and Anti -Trumper does.
True but not all opinions are equal and some are just downright wrong.I am happy to stand with Boac, Plumb et al this one. ;)))

As for the rest there is enough good stuff to agree upon I guess, even BenThere God help me! =))

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#4169 Post by Slasher » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:41 am

Bob wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:47 pm
Slasher wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm
I refuse to ever answer your posts..."Bob"...

Oh dear, you just did.....Idiot

The "Bob" reply thus proving my point. QED.

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#4170 Post by Boac » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:08 am

Seen wrote:there is a sizeable potion of US Citizens who do not necessarily agree with your points of view.
- ditto?

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#4171 Post by BenThere » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:03 pm

Besides, Ben is one of those extremely rare people who still take real pride in their home country.
I do, Slasher, and I thank you for that compliment.

Caco and I have a love-hate relationship that goes a long way back. I think we mutually share both admiration and disdain for each other, but it's a working agreement to disagree. I regard his willingness to insult me from time to time as a signal of his weakness and take it as a smug signal of yet another tactical victory having been able to invoke his telling anger. Like me, Caco is neither all good or all bad.

John Hill, thanks for giving me a look at 1839's events in Texas history. That subject is seldom addressed. Interestingly, Texas entered the United States as an independent republic. Hawaii had been a kingdom, but the US had annexed it long before it became a state.

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#4172 Post by Cacophonix » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm

BenThere wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:03 pm
Besides, Ben is one of those extremely rare people who still take real pride in their home country.
I do, Slasher, and I thank you for that compliment.

Caco and I have a love-hate relationship that goes a long way back. I think we mutually share both admiration and disdain for each other, but it's a working agreement to disagree. I regard his willingness to insult me from time to time as a signal of his weakness and take it as a smug signal of yet another tactical victory having been able to invoke his telling anger. Like me, Caco is neither all good or all bad.

John Hill, thanks for giving me a look at 1839's events in Texas history. That subject is seldom addressed. Interestingly, Texas entered the United States as an independent republic. Hawaii had been a kingdom, but the US had annexed it long before it became a state.
Deluded I tell you, deluded! =)) ;)))

I would miss you if you weren't here BenThere! ;)))

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#4173 Post by Seenenough » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Cacophonix wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm
BenThere wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:03 pm
Besides, Ben is one of those extremely rare people who still take real pride in their home country.
I do, Slasher, and I thank you for that compliment.

Caco and I have a love-hate relationship that goes a long way back. I think we mutually share both admiration and disdain for each other, but it's a working agreement to disagree. I regard his willingness to insult me from time to time as a signal of his weakness and take it as a smug signal of yet another tactical victory having been able to invoke his telling anger. Like me, Caco is neither all good or all bad.

John Hill, thanks for giving me a look at 1839's events in Texas history. That subject is seldom addressed. Interestingly, Texas entered the United States as an independent republic. Hawaii had been a kingdom, but the US had annexed it long before it became a state.
Deluded I tell you, deluded! =)) ;)))

I would miss you if you weren't here BenThere! ;)))

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Caco-As long as we all accept that each of us are entitled to our own views on matters it all remains civil.

One man's wrong is another man's right and visa versa.Healthy debate of opposing views is what western democracy is based upon.Sadly this is severely lacking in most of western politics these days.

Forcing your viewes on another who thinks differently to you and then personally insulting them because they do not think like you is another thing completely.

Hillary found out the hard way with her now infamous "deplorable" comments.I hold the view that this statement did her campaign fatal dammage.

In Communism and Socialism under the mask of Liberal Progressivism and activism ,no opposing views are allowed.This is where angry oppression and suppression of views starts and democracy comes under threat.

Just look at Zimbabwe.One opressive thug gets thrown out and another takes over and makes the sad situation gets even worse but who cares it is only Zimbawe.

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#4174 Post by Cacophonix » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:44 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:31 pm
Cacophonix wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm
BenThere wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:03 pm


I do, Slasher, and I thank you for that compliment.

Caco and I have a love-hate relationship that goes a long way back. I think we mutually share both admiration and disdain for each other, but it's a working agreement to disagree. I regard his willingness to insult me from time to time as a signal of his weakness and take it as a smug signal of yet another tactical victory having been able to invoke his telling anger. Like me, Caco is neither all good or all bad.

John Hill, thanks for giving me a look at 1839's events in Texas history. That subject is seldom addressed. Interestingly, Texas entered the United States as an independent republic. Hawaii had been a kingdom, but the US had annexed it long before it became a state.
Deluded I tell you, deluded! =)) ;)))

I would miss you if you weren't here BenThere! ;)))

Caco
Caco-As long as we all accept that each of us are entitled to our own views on matters it all remains civil.

One mans wrong is another mans right and visa versa.Healthy debate of opposing views is what western democracy is based upon.Sadly this is severely lacking in most of western politics these days.

Forcing your viewes on another who thinks differently to you and then personally insulting them because they do not think like you is another thing completely.

Hillary found out the hard way with her now infamous "deplorable" comments.I hold the view that this statement did her campaign fatal dammage.

In Communism and Socialism under the mask of Liberal Progressivism and activism ,no opposing views are allowed.This is where angry oppression and suppression of views starts and democracy comes under threat.

Just look at Zimbabwe.One opressive thug gets thrown out and another takes over and makes the sad situation gets even worse but who cares it is only Zimbawe.
I tend to agree with you Seenenough! :)

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#4175 Post by Wodrick » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Cacophonix wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:44 pm
Seenenough wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:31 pm
Cacophonix wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm


Deluded I tell you, deluded! =)) ;)))

I would miss you if you weren't here BenThere! ;)))

Caco
Caco-As long as we all accept that each of us are entitled to our own views on matters it all remains civil.

One mans wrong is another mans right and visa versa.Healthy debate of opposing views is what western democracy is based upon.Sadly this is severely lacking in most of western politics these days.

Forcing your viewes on another who thinks differently to you and then personally insulting them because they do not think like you is another thing completely.

Hillary found out the hard way with her now infamous "deplorable" comments.I hold the view that this statement did her campaign fatal dammage.

In Communism and Socialism under the mask of Liberal Progressivism and activism ,no opposing views are allowed.This is where angry oppression and suppression of views starts and democracy comes under threat.

Just look at Zimbabwe.One opressive thug gets thrown out and another takes over and makes the sad situation gets even worse but who cares it is only Zimbawe.
I tend to agree with you Seenenough! :)

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#4176 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:57 pm

Just look at Zimbabwe.One opressive thug gets thrown out and another takes over and makes the sad situation gets even worse but who cares it is only Zimbawe.
But who cares it is only Zimbabwe Actually a lot of people care, we have friends there who we are very concerned about. And in this part of Africa, what happens next door so to speak is important. [-(


Edit to add that I agree with Wodrick about multiple quotes and apologies for thread drift. :)
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#4177 Post by Cacophonix » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:01 pm

Wodrick wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:39 pm

I do wish you wouldn't do this with the quote thing, it's not needed when you are quoting the post immediately above and it makes it difficult for mere mortals like me to follow.

I tend to want to keep the thread right there at hand Wodrick rather than having to cut back though acres of pages, but, as it is you asking Wodrick, I will endeavour to precis or be more brief!
Oops, I almost just did it again. :p ;)))



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#4178 Post by John Hill » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:14 pm

BenThere wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:03 pm
Hawaii had been a kingdom, but the US had annexed it long before it became a state.
Ah yes, the 'bayonet constitution' and US regime change.
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#4179 Post by BenThere » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:33 pm

When Hawaii was added as a territory to the US domain, it was a different world. Hawaii petitioned to become a state, however, of its own accord, no bayonet involved. By then, of course, Hawaii had seen the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack, a real bayonet, and set about pursuing its closer embrace of the American Way.

Puerto Rico, today, has the same status as Hawaii did. Statehood, by the way, is a mutual agreement. The aspiring state has to want it and the support of existing states is required as well.

What do you think the 51st state will be, JH? I'd bet on Puerto Rico, but Israel and Alberta could be dark horse candidates. The actuality is that many constituencies would love to join America, New Zealand excepted. The point is, and always has been, that America is an idea with universal appeal. We're one of a few nations with a birthday, July 4, celebrating an idea rather than a conquest.

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#4180 Post by Seenenough » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:07 pm

Mrs Ex-Ascot wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:57 pm
Just look at Zimbabwe.One opressive thug gets thrown out and another takes over and makes the sad situation gets even worse but who cares it is only Zimbawe.
But who cares it is only Zimbabwe Actually a lot of people care, we have friends there who we are very concerned about. And in this part of Africa, what happens next door so to speak is important. [-(


Edit to add that I agree with Wodrick about multiple quotes and apologies for thread drift. :)
You will never hear Pelosi or Schumer express any concern for the failings in Zim and SA for if they were to be critical about it they would actually be critical of socialist governance that has run these previously prosperous countries into the ground.

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