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Re: General Election views

#141 Post by barkingmad » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:13 am

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:16 am
Here's her life experience:

My daddy's rich!
This is probably what sent me off on the wrong trail?

I have not taken much interest in the genealogy of the R-M family apart from what’s left of my memory tells me Willy R-M was editor of the Times newspaper when I was young and innocent.

This gives me much more hope than the current crop of promises promises cluttering the MSM these days;



It also answers SOME of the “manifesto” queries bothering the O-N community.

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#142 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:42 am

Om, on the later, almost like the hungry snake swallowing its tail. Predictably the machine is turning on its exiles and blaming them.

Fantasy Land:

Corbyn wins with a working majority, vide Harold Wilson with a majority of 4. Would CDS hand over the keys of power? HW was strongly suspected of links with the Soviets and his minister of defence was a former card carrying member of the communist party. That came out good.

Would the corridors of power shackle the PM?

It was said that Tony Blair went into No 10 full of the joys of Spring and sobered up PDQ when he got his nuclear brief.

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#143 Post by BenThere » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:47 pm

Regarding Tony Blair, he became a pariah when he found common ground with George Bush II leading up to and executing the second Gulf War. Like George, Tony was convinced by the intelligence available to him that Iraq possessed proscribed chemical weapons. Those weapons were not found, but it's not conclusive that they were not shipped to Syria, as Israel claims. Mistakenly Bush and Blair staked their policy on WMD, when the real cause of confrontation was Hussein's refusal to allow inspections of his warmaking capacity, the evil of the attrocities routinely conducted by his regime, and the Iraqi regime's continuing threat to critical Gulf oil supply, and neighboring states. He was an evil dictator whose elimination saved a lot of innocent peoples' lives.

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#144 Post by Woody » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:15 pm

Ben , your ignorance knows no bounds.

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#145 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:29 pm

The dictator you know . . .

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#146 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:34 pm

He was an evil dictator whose elimination saved a lot of innocent peoples' lives.
..and created the current mess where even more innocents die. Same with Libya, etc.

Regime change doesn't work for the country itself. Either one gets a new US dictator who does the same stuff, maybe to a different group of innocents, or there's civil war, chaos, terrorists, etc.

I wish it were different, but it isn't.

On which point, back to GE.
It's why I don't use my overseas vote. I'm not planning on returning to the UK, and I believe a country's inhabitants should sort their own mess out. Though, goodness knows, the result of this GE could be an even bigger mess.

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#147 Post by barkingmad » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:34 pm

Meanwhile, back from the ranch and in the remains of the UK wee Nicola Krankie shouting about Scotland’s future and banging on about a second referendum on Scottish independence next year.

I thought the 2014 was a “once in a lifetime “ event so I suppose she’s confirming the comparative reduced life expectancy of those north of the border? :-\

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#148 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:37 pm

BM, yesterday she was even talking of two referendum next year. Piss the woman from Bristol even more (😀).

From my POV the more the better. £120 after tax each time and an enjoyable day people watching.

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#149 Post by barkingmad » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:22 pm

Meanwhile, back at the reality and intelligence testing centre;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50352678

And his party and him are asking us to vote for them? Disaster looms ahead!

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#150 Post by om15 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Re #141, good film BM, he is a very clear speaker compared to Boris who mumbles about with incoherent sentences.
But I wonder, are the great British public going to choose a leader that still wears a trilby? this being the favoured headgear of the brown hatter Jeremy Thorpe. He might just get away with his yellow trousers and a Toad of Toad Hall motoring cap, but not a trilby.

Corbyn seems to be making outlandish policies that would be completely rejected by right thinking people, latest is people working their own hours, but still one in four of the electorate think that he is fit to be PM, it is very worrying.
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#151 Post by barkingmad » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm

om15, gotta remain optimistic or go under and drain the gin bottles til oblivion?

One consolation is that polls very often hide what people really do in the privacy of the ballot paper marking.

I’m certain a lot of voters asked in the high street will not want to admit openly in front of friends/family that they are Brexiteers as that’s perceived as the looney fringe by the great Remoaner brigade.

Keep chugging on and put your ‘X’ where you can sleep easy with the decision, assuming you get the chance to vote in/for the UK?

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#152 Post by Woody » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 am

So the Tories are promoting immigration to fill vacancies in the NHS, wonder what the Brexit Party policy is :ymdevil:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50351861
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#153 Post by om15 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am

wonder what the Brexit Party policy is
Brexit Party MEP and businessman Ben Habib explained if the Brexit Party was in power, they would drastically change the UK’s EU enforced immigration policy. During an interview with Express.co.uk, he outlined how their immigration plan would be vastly positive for the UK as their policy would focus on skill-based migration. He said: “It will avoid the two things that I think enter people’s mind as far as freedom of movement is concerned which is unbridled influx or unskilled workers. "Keeping the lid on wages and reducing the United Kingdom’s productivity."
Mr Habib continued: “A significant part of that is due to labour being used rather than more investment being made in infrastructure and machinery.
“Of course you are going to go on using cost-effective Labour if it is available as it is through freedom of movement.
“The most defining difference is that it would be a skilled based policy.

“Only allowing people into the United Kingdom people that the UK can’t source domestically.

“So we will put British jobs first for British people and then open up jobs for the rest of the world.”

In addition to promising the parties immigration policy would result in more jobs for British people and more skilled workers invited to the UK, Mr Habib also noted industries that would benefit.

He claimed the Health industry and Science industries would see the greatest benefits quickly after the implementation of the policy.

He said: “The industries that immediately come to my mind are doctors, nurses, the NHS and medical professions.
Scientists and research graduates, professors, -areas where we as a nation would really benefit from the improved brainpower that would be brought to bear for our collective benefit.

“I think we can do it very quickly.

“You can turn that boat around quite quickly, obviously there is a lag time for people to make applications to join the UK.

“And that can’t be helped but you could turn that ship around very quickly.”
According to the Brexit Party: "The UK needs to adopt an immigration policy that enables the country’s economy to grow without adversely affecting local job prospects and without being a drag on productivity.

"The policy must be blind to faith and ethnicity. It should allow the continued propagation of multi-culturalism in the UK.

"Immigration should be governed by the UK’s needs for certain skill sets at any given point in time. The policy must be dynamic to ensure that the UK’s needs, from time to time, are met. The UK does not need and does not benefit from large influxes of unskilled workers, which has hitherto taken place as a result of Freedom of Movement.

"As part of the policy, the UK must consistently review the potential adverse impacts it may have on other countries. The well-documented phenomenon of ‘brain drain’, where a disproportionate amount of talented and highly educated emigrate from one country, is a concern — something the EU’s Free Movement People advocates have failed to address.

"As far as EU member state citizens are concerned, all those residing in the UK should be welcome to continue to reside and work here as well as apply for UK nationality in accordance with the declarations already made by HM Government. Reciprocal undertakings should be sought from the EU for British nationals resident in EU member states."
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#154 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:48 pm

Lots of words but what do they mean?

We stayed in two hotels last month. The first up north had English women on reception, English speaking Slav men catering and waiting, and English cleaners. In the second in the South coast, almost all were EU with only a cleaner and a waitress English.

Given the minimum wage, what is the attraction? Clearly there is a need for foreign workers.

In the NHS, over the last couple of years almost all nurses and assistants who treated me were English, one was Indian. Of the doctors and surgeons the anaesthesist was English, one was EU, the rest Indian.

We need immigration but not necessarily skills based but jobs based. We have lots of immigrants but isn't it odd that we don't see Arabs and Africans in white collar service industries? If they are in food outlets it is vans of death and kebab shops.

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#155 Post by BenThere » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm

I just had an epiphany. Why can't we declare a sort of moratorium in which all the indigenous peoples stay where they are, work to build their societies, live in concert with the rest of the world, share what they can, and propel a higher level of humanity?

While 'diversity' seems to be the order of the day, and its virtues extolled by all and sundry, I see problems, one of which is that as a political force, it pits us against each other, which I see as wrong.

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#156 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:06 pm

Nobody agrees on who is indigenous, what society should be, what counts as living in concert, what counts as "what we can", or what represents a higher level of humanity, either within any particular country, or between them.
Socialists wish to destroy all borders; ignoring immigration laws is their currently chosen weapon. And suppressing free speech; their two weapons are ignoring immigration laws, suppression of free speech, and removing democracy...
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#157 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:07 pm

Define indigenous.

Written before I saw Fox's reply.

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#158 Post by BenThere » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:07 pm

I see indigenous as people who are where they are right now. They may not have originated there, and I don't include illegal immigrants among the indigenous. Further, I see the importation of non-indigenous immigrants as generally damaging to the survival of the truly indigenous.

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#159 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:05 pm

Ben, native Americans would agree with you.

I met a USAF Major, over 50 years ago. When his friends departed he confessed that he was a full blooded Cherokee, clue in his name. His friends didn't know and he said he was not permitted alcohol.

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#160 Post by BenThere » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:08 pm

Ben , your ignorance knows no bounds.
I can only agree. There is so much I do not know. But I try to keep learning.

Somehow, though, I sense your post was not a friendly point of debate, but rather an intended smear.

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