WTF is happening in the UK?

[Boac]

Of course she wasn't. Of course she followed the police request to go home. No, it wasn't staged for her photographer mate. Are you interested in buying my car?

[TheGreenGoblin]

Of course she wasn't. Of course she followed the police request to go home. No, it wasn't staged for her photographer mate. Are you interested in buying my car?

Your honour I move that we remove that man from the jury on the basis of bias, illogic (and ***** stirring)!

[4mastacker]

So, the doe-eyed, flame-haired one travelled from Sarfend to protest. I thought it was meant to be a vigil. Has Sarfend moved and is now part of Clapham?

[1DC]

The ginger one said she was given a £200 fine, four were fined altogether but don't know if any of the others have been seeking publicity.

[Boac]

I'll stay on the Jury.

[TheGreenGoblin]

I'll stay on the Jury.

Having arrested her they were likely to fine her. There is no basis of proof one way or the other in that. Back to logic and justice101 with you. Remark, can do better!

[Boac]

.....and the answer is?

PS Talking of 'proof', if she didn't want to politicise a young woman's death then why has she appeared on just about every news outlet today? Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Try Occam's razor.

[TheGreenGoblin]

.....and the answer is?

The claim that the lady is or was an "agitator" is totally unproven.. Suggest that the plaintiff Boac be deemed a vexatious litigant and barred from this court!

[Boac]

The claim that the lady is or was an "agitator" is totally unproven

I have not seen that claim, just the merest whiff of seeking publicity. Where is that said?

[TheGreenGoblin]

The claim that the lady is or was an "agitator" is totally unproven

I have not seen that claim, just the merest whiff of seeking publicity. Where is that said?

One might deduce from your specific interest in this lady, and your focus on her and not the many others who were also arrested and also photographed, after a specific point in the afternoon, that she agitates, or at least interests you specifically, in some manner! One will not dwell upon the many possible reasons for your agitation, but one might draw certain conclusions, particularly in the light of some of the other comments you have made about this lady in front of this court today...

[Boac]

My learned friend says that you are of course free to 'deduce' as you choose. Deductions need to be made carefully, Sir.

[TheGreenGoblin]

My learned friend says that you are of course free to 'deduce' as you choose. Deductions need to be made carefully, Sir.

Indeed Sir, indeed... <<at this stage the court is adjourned for the day and both counsels note that it time for tea and retire to the cafeteria together, laughing and discussing some previous case and the upcoming game of golf they have planned for the coming weekend...>>

[Pontius Navigator]

Heaven forfend that women might have political opinions and, that our gentle, uncorrupted Metropolitan police force might have overreacted!

I'm sure the GENUINE ones do and I support them. It is the agitator/trouble-makers that I do not support - do you? As for the Met over-reacting - do bears......................?

Must admit I have not come to a conclusion about agiprop yesterday. What I heard on LBC didn't justify the police action. They declined to work with the organisers I heard.

[compo]

One wonders how much the Stevenson PR machine paid to have her arrested and held in a position that would provide an opportunity to take identifiable publicity photos.

[Boac]

One wonders how much the Stevenson PR machine paid to have her arrested

Nada. Extremely easy to get yourself 'arrested' by refusing the orders issued. What you then do is 'resist' arrest to the stage where the police are legally bound to apply 5 officers to you (don't want to hurt the poor dear, do we? One for each limb and one for the head). Then you make sure your paid/friend photog is in the right place and you turn your head towards the camera with a doe-eyed expression of studied helplessness. Job done. Cheap. A doodle for anyone who has done any actor training. Mass (paid) interviews on the media then follow and a possibly lack-lustre 'starlet' has shot to fame (without the casting couch, so far).

[OFSO]

I wonder what the comparable costs to the police are between accepting a fine, or refusing a fine and being arrested?

[prospector]

An interesting article, is this really what is happening in the UK, and many other places.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/518167-unconsc ... aign=Email

"I went on an unconscious bias course, and you know what? I still don’t like some people… and I’m perfectly OK with that"

"It’s not just the Labour Party, though. The government has shelled out over £400,000 to put civil servants on anti-bias training in the past couple of years. Anyway, now it was my turn. And I came to a revelation. I’ve been ‘suffering’ from a nasty, irrational bias for a very long time, which I feel – in true Oprah style – I must admit to publicly. Here goes. Are you ready?"

[boing]

I can honestly say I have no unconscious biases, mine are all conscious, a large proportion of my biases are against want-to-be intellectuals who are always saying they are totally right and I must belong to a sub-human category because I don't agree with them.

I look forward to my viewpoint being aired publicly. I wonder if I should contact Oopra so I can confess?

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[johngreen]

I can honestly say I have no unconscious biases, mine are all conscious

I think you need to revisit that thought and statement and examine what you are claiming very, very carefully.
And please do not take that to be a personal attack; it is not. It does however illustrate with some brilliance the vulnerability of humans to convince themselves - and hence others - of how their self judgement, their hopes and wishes, their beliefs and proclaimations, far exceed any possible reality!
Here lies (!) an explanation for a very great deal of humanity's present state of disgrace...

[Pontius Navigator]

I was sent on some type of management course. Roughly speaking we were all managers. We were split in to two teams and given team tasks.

One was build the tallest structure just using sheets of paper and cello tape. GO!

Was there a leader elected? No.
Were there any ideas? Yes.
Could they decide on the best? No

And so it went on.

I made 3 cones. I fastened them to make one. I made another cone. That got to 6 feet. I made a tube and that was as high as it would go as it reached the ceiling.

Meanwhile back at the brains trust.

Each team then reassembled in one room. One creation. Was 3 feet, a square building with door and windows drawn on - that was not in the specification.

They tried to disqualify mine as it looked like a rocket not a building.

Next task was to use a box of bits. I wanted to inventory the bits and see what could be assembled, like how many wheels or pulleys etc. This time I was shouted down. Once they had a plan it had to described to two 'instructors' who would then go the the other team and brief the design and they had to build it from their kit.

Complete mission failure. The boxes of bits were different.

For this we had two facilitators, they had never met before, had never seen the kit, and probably pocketted ££££.

Facillation has to be even better than consultation.