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Dushan wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:06 am
John Hill wrote:
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Fox, crazy to think the Taliban has a better equipped airforce than New Zealand (for example).
But we do have a public health service and universal superannuation.
I would hope that you have a better health service than Taliban. And superannuation, whatever it might be.
A fancy name for social security that we all get here at 62.

But I won’t be needing that. With the company 401k I have and my shop automatically matching an extremely nice and generous double digit percentage , I’ll be looking at $ 5 to 6 million (at least) by the time I retire. The $3,000 to $4,000/month (todays $) of social security will be icing on the cake.
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Many countries do not have a public health service, the US for example has a much bigger airforce than NZ but they do not have a universal healthcare system.

I am not surprised you do not know what superannuation is....doh.
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Re: Chaos in USA

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New map of America has dropped: Murica!

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And in other USA news and much more newsworthy than troll comments Trump made.....

Preliminary estimates indicate 10,000 structures (residential, commercial) may have been destroyed from the wildfires raging n LA. 10 lives lost. The Palisades Fire is at 6% containment and the Eaton fire is a 0%. Fires have been raging since January 7th.

Dushan/Fox - don't you find it odd that our "compassionate " lefties on the site have not posted anything about the fire in the USA thread?! Yet because of TDS, they will post and make a big deal about a troll statement Trump made regarding Canads, Panama, and Greenland.

Just odd. I guess TDS is really a thing.

P.s probes , cute chart. The chance of any of that happening is 0%. The chances of a Rukraine, Ruthiania, Rustonia, Rutvia, Ruzerbaijan etc has a much much higher probability of happening.
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Palisades Fire.
At least 5,000 structures lost. 20,000 acres. 6% containment

https://ktla.com/news/california/wildfi ... vastation/

Eaton Fire. 0% containment.
https://ktla.com/news/california/wildfi ... -a-county/

Estimates are at least 10,000 structures have been lost between the two fires.
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GrumpyPilot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:45 pm


Preliminary estimates indicate 10,000 structures (residential, commercial) may have been destroyed from the wildfires raging n LA. 10 lives lost. The Palisades Fire is at 6% containment and the Eaton fire is a 0%. Fires have been raging since January 7th.

Dushan/Fox - don't you find it odd that our "compassionate " lefties on the site have not posted anything about the fire in the USA thread?! Yet because of TDS, they will post and make a big deal about a troll statement Trump made regarding Canads, Panama, and Greenland.

Have you tried this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8919&start=20
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GrumpyPilot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:45 pm
P.s probes , cute chart. The chance of any of that happening is 0%. The chances of a Rukraine, Ruthiania, Rustonia, Rutvia, Ruzerbaijan etc has a much much higher probability of happening.
Maybe and probably.
But a president of a powerful country speaking like that is bad enough?
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Dushan/Fox - don't you find it odd that our "compassionate " lefties on the site have not posted anything about the fire in the USA thread?!
Woody wrote:Have you tried this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8919&start=20
Why would he bother? RDS prevents.
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Btw, IF the US had any enemies, do you think it would be a good idea for them to give their bit in making sure the fire would keep burning?
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probes wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:24 pm
Btw, IF the US had any enemies, do you think it would be a good idea for them to give their bit in making sure the fire would keep burning?
They've detained someone suspected of starting one of the fires.
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llondel wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:39 pm
probes wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:24 pm
Btw, IF the US had any enemies, do you think it would be a good idea for them to give their bit in making sure the fire would keep burning?
They've detained someone suspected of starting one of the fires.
which is another mystery - how does one get caught? Not walking around with a torch, presumably?
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probes wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:41 pm
llondel wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:39 pm
probes wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:24 pm
Btw, IF the US had any enemies, do you think it would be a good idea for them to give their bit in making sure the fire would keep burning?
They've detained someone suspected of starting one of the fires.
which is another mystery - how does one get caught? Not walking around with a torch, presumably?
I think the locals saw him and detained him until law enforcement turned up. Latest news is that they are not charging him, presumably not enough evidence. Reports claimed he was trying to start a fire, looks like he was 2-3 miles from the Kenneth Fire based on the location mentioned.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-de ... neth-fire/
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GrumpyPilot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:45 pm
- don't you find it odd that our "compassionate " lefties on the site have not posted anything about the fire in the USA thread?!
viewtopic.php?p=404889#p404889

which I'll quote, seeing as it's mine:

"The thing that is impressing me is that it appears to be not just homes in forested areas that are burning, but suburbs, and not even particularly leafy ones...

Dreadful.
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I think this monstrous event is worthy of its own thread.
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I stand corrected, Karearea
Thanks for starting that thread.
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New Orleans police release bodycam footage of shootout with Bourbon Street attacker
Police Superintendent Anne Kirkpatrick also identified the officers who fired on the attacker, calling them “national heroes.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ne ... rcna187137

The New Orleans Police Department on Friday released body camera footage of the shootout between three officers and the attacker who rammed his truck into pedestrians on Bourbon Street in the early hours of New Year’s Day, killing 14 people.

The roughly 10 seconds of footage shows two officers with their guns drawn in front of the open driver’s side door of a white pickup truck. A voice can be heard yelling “put your hands up” before shooting erupts and officers and some pedestrians run away from the vehicle. The police department also released a slower version of the same video, as well as a still image showing what appears to be a muzzle flash from the attacker's weapon.

It was the first time details of the shootout, including the names of the officers who killed the attacker, Shamsud-Din Jabbar, were released.

Police Superintendent Anne Kirkpatrick identified the officers who fired on the attacker as Sgt. Nigel Daggs and Officers Christian Beyer and Jacobie Jordan. She called them “national heroes” and said they “clearly” acted within the law and department policy during the shooting. The bodycam footage is from the camera of another officer, who does not appear to have fired his weapon.

“It’s clear the officers were well within policy,” she said at a news conference Friday morning. “So we have no concerns about that.”

Kirkpatrick said that Daggs is a 21-year police veteran. Beyer has been an officer for a year and 11 months, and Jordan for a year and nine months, she said.

A person who answered the phone at a number listed for Daggs directed a reporter to the department’s press office.

Jordan did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Beyer could not be reached.

Kirkpatrick said that Jordan and a fourth officer, Joseph Rodrigue, a 10-year veteran who did not shoot his firearm, both sustained wounds to their thighs and have since been released from the hospital.

Kirkpatrick could not answer whether the officers may have been struck by friendly fire, saying that was something the FBI will investigate.

New Orleans

This week, Kirkpatrick announced that the department is bringing on William Bratton, who has been the top cop in Boston, New York and Los Angeles, to counsel the city on its security measures after the deadly attack.

Bratton, 77, a veteran of more than 50 years in law enforcement, was brought on as a tactical expert on assessing security in the city after criticism about the security measures in place during the New Year's celebrations.

At a news conference Thursday to formally introduce Bratton in his new position, New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell said, “This is moving in the right direction in terms of improving public safety measures in the city of New Orleans as we are preparing to host national events such as the Super Bowl and even Mardi Gras.”

Cantrell said New Orleans was “taking action to ensure that our city is safe for our residents, our city is safe for our visitors and for the long haul.”

Bratton said that he and his partners will be looking into “how can we identify problems that need to be addressed, new ones that arose out of that event in the area of counterterrorism. The area of terrorism threat is constantly evolving and changing.”

“The idea is a learning experience here, but that learning experience is then focused on prevention, preventing anything like that from happening again,” he said.

The circumstances of the terrorist attack are under investigation. The heavily trafficked thoroughfare of Bourbon Street did not have vehicle security barriers, known as bollards, in place at the time of the attack. The barriers, which at times malfunctioned, had been in use for several years and were removed for replacement ahead of the city’s hosting of the Super Bowl in February. The city also had access to but failed to deploy the 700-pound steel Archer barriers it had previously used to protect crowded streets.

Cantrell and Kirkpatrick have defended the city’s response, saying there were temporary security measures, police vehicles and a large law enforcement presence throughout the French Quarter.

“This man was going to do his best, and if it hadn’t been on Bourbon, he was going to go somewhere else,” Kirkpatrick said last week.

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GrumpyPilot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:01 pm
I stand corrected, Karearea
Thanks for starting that thread.
'twas just my post I linked to;
the credit for starting the thread goes to PHXPhlyer.

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Looks like it's my bright blond morning - but a question: how is it legislation-wise, can the President of the USA (whoever it happens to be, even though the question is due to Trump's claims Canada et al should join the US) start a war 'by himself' - meaning, if others (higher military etc) told the person it's not wise, could the President say 'We'll attack ...' and that's it, the forces start moving?
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He would need to get approval from Musk first.
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Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to declare war. The President, meanwhile, derives the power to direct the military at all times, whether or not there is a formal declaration of war, from Article II, Section 2, which names the President Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President’s constitutional powers are quite broad in the context of limited military action. Additionally, courts have long upheld the President’s right to be the sole voice of the nation, in charge of conducting our foreign policy.

The War Powers Act, which Congress designed to limit a President’s power to commit U.S. troops to combat, was passed as a Joint Resolution in 1973. The Act concedes that the commander-in-chief role gives the President power to repel attacks against the United States and makes the President responsible for leading the armed forces. It provides that the President can send the armed forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.” It also requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war.

It must be noted, though, that no Administration of either political party has agreed that the War Powers Act is constitutional. Instead, rather than formally “complying with” the provisions of the Act (which would imply agreement with the Act’s legality), all Administrations state instead that they are acting “consistent with” the Act’s provisions (which implies that they are acting as they do because they freely choose to do so, not because they are compelled to do so).
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The President is the Commander-in-Chief. If he alone says, the rest of the military must act.
The only exception is the use of nuclear weapons, which requires the senior military officer to agree that the order is lawful. There is no other check of the decision.
Actually, no member of the military may follow an illegal order, but the point is explicit with nuclear authorization.
Everywhere else down the chain, two people must simultaneously make the authorization (e.g. launch keys in a missile silo).
The process can be different in other countries. In the UK, where the Prime Minister is unavailable (e.g. a nuclear strike on London), a nuclear submarine Captain may have authority to do so ("Letter of Last Resort").
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