BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

[ExSp33db1rd]

'fraid I'm not going to trawl through 2356 previous posts to see if this has been covered, but can anyone explain - in words of one syllable - what is meant by the frequently uttered "Backstop" ?

I'm well aware of the issue of the border between N.Ire. and Eire, and the various combinations of N.Ire. remaining, or separating, with the UK, Brexitting or not, but in the event of No Deal, when "Backstop" is then demanded as the answer, does this mean that the border will be closed, or open ?

Backdoor I can understand, be it open or closed,but " Backstop" ?

'tis a puzzlement, said Alice.

I’m reminded, again, of the old story of the builder who lived on one side of the Eire/ N.Ire. border, and worked on the other, and daily pushed a wheelbarrow of materials across to his worksite. Customs were convinced that he was smuggling something, and gave him and his load a thorough going over every time he passed through to work in the morning, but had to clear him of wrongdoing. He was smuggling, and trading in, wheelbarrows !

[llondel]

The backstop would effectively put NI inside the Eurozone and there would then be customs between NI and the rest of the UK while a better deal was worked out. While that might be acceptable to some as an interim measure, the wording in the agreement between May and the EU required EU consent for the backstop to end, effectively converting the UK to an EU vassal state with a bunch of responsibilities and no say in any of it. She might well get agreement to her deal if that was removed, or a clause added that put an explicit maximum duration on how long the backstop could endure.

[ExSp33db1rd]

Thank you, I'm glad someone was paying attention !

Personally I'd have been a Remainer, had I had a vote, the days of "Send a Gunboat" and a World Atlas printed largely in red are well gone, and EU dictates now enshrined in UK law will not so speedily, or easily, be overturned, but then I guess this thread is what "discussion" is all about, and we're all entitled to an opinion ?

Best of luck.

[Krystal n Chips]

A typical benefit scrounger as perceived my Mail readers

Really? From where did you obtain that impression? Even your beloved Guardian doesn't cast such aspersions, just your usual perverse twisting of facts to suit your childish and blinkered mindset.

I suggest this might benefit you. It might also help you with not posting items that have nothing to do with Brexit in a thread dedicated to that topic.

As always, I am indebted to learn of your kind thoughts and sentiments. I did try and open the link but, alas, it doesn't work.

Since you mention education however, and as I've said before, you will have plenty of time on your hands to participate in such courses, when you do commence English language classes, as well as looking up "invaders ", you may also wish to progress to....satire.

The Mail / Excess have a well established tradition of branding people claiming benefits as being "scroungers, work shy, social parasites " and indeed, such terms are conducive to a receptive and bigoted readership.

And so back to Brexit......here's another example of "Tory largesse and generosity ".....I know, but since I have a limited educational attainment and understand of Ingerlish, I won't use the word........BRIBE.

Seems Greg was also following in Treeza's size 5's .....Treeza, you may recall, denied six times she would call a GE before ?

Here's a nice Guardian article to start your day off over eggy wegs and bacon and beans....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... carmarkers

[Woody]

Lots of people of people stating that the EU is an unelected state, did they all vote for the DUP?

[Krystal n Chips]

And now, for those anticipating enrolment on an English language course, another word to add to the list, along with invaders and satire.....pragmatism.

Sometimes, even the Grudiad makes, erm, an error. The caption and photo show a certain chain but, sadly, misses out the fact said chain ceased trading due to, ahem " financial irregularities and anomalies "...cough !

The rest of the article however does bear closer scrutiny. The service sector, so bellowed by the unlamented deceased , is integral to the UK economy . Not that this will cause any concern for the "lets just leave ! " myopia riddled souls on here.

Any you of fancy applying for a job once we've left and all those damned immigrants are no longer working over here?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... it-economy

[Magnus]

Nothing wrong with being intoxicated by the exuberance of your own verbosity, K'n'C, but might you perhaps have simply been intoxicated there?

[OFSO]

Already been offered a job at my local Tesco's. They can overlook my colour, but seemingly I am over-qualified for shelf-stacking.

[Krystal n Chips]

Nothing wrong with being intoxicated by the exuberance of your own verbosity, K'n'C, but might you perhaps have simply been intoxicated there?

You will be astounded to learn I don't drink during the day....

Here's the Beeb's version....

"Right now the survival of Patisserie Valerie is in the balance. Accounting irregularities that first emerged in October last year forced the company into administration last month"

For those seeking gainful employment, and lets be fair, with Tesco about to shed some 9000 jobs, the opportunities would be less than minimal, several other sectors may well be begging for your services.....fruit and crop picking for example, warehouse picking and packing, hand car washes....no worries about qualifications either.....many of those nasty immigrants currently employed in such are more than over qualified so no concerns as to intellectual compatibility being diminished . For those in the travel sector, ticket coupon collectors are always required.

[BenThere]

For those seeking gainful employment, and lets be fair, with Tesco about to shed some 9000 jobs, the opportunities would be less than minimal, several other sectors may well be begging for your services.....fruit and crop picking for example, warehouse picking and packing, hand car washes....no worries about qualifications either.....many of those nasty immigrants currently employed in such are more than over qualified so no concerns as to intellectual compatibility being diminished . For those in the travel sector, ticket coupon collectors are always required.

I agree, that's what Socialism delivers, but I wonder why you continually agitate to reduce the populace to that general penury. Is that really what you want?

[om15]

but I wonder why you continually agitate to reduce the populace to that general penury. Is that really what you want?

Yes of course it is, as quickly as possible, it is the sole and fixed objective of Corbyn, Momentum and their addled and menacing followers, reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator, that's socialism, just look at Venezuela, however this will not of course extend to themselves, only other people, their snouts will be in the trough.
We were rescued once before by Mrs Thatcher, a lady who had the wisdom and determination to root them out and face them head on, but I don't see anyone else around at the moment to do it again.

[BenThere]

Indeed, Margaret Thatcher had a big hand in saving the Western World for a generation. I stand in humble appreciation. She is right there, next to Churchill.

[Pontius Navigator]

Ben indeed, remember little Dave had a voted on whether we should drop some bombs in Syria and little Ed said No so BO rubbed out his Red Lines.

Now the Donald is something else

[Woody]

Yes of course it is, as quickly as possible, it is the sole and fixed objective of Corbyn, Momentum and their addled and menacing followers, reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator, that's socialism, just look at Venezuela, however this will not of course extend to themselves, only other people, their snouts will be in the trough.

What has Tesco shedding 9000 jobs got to do with this, even in your feeble diseased mind OM?

[om15]

I was responding to the question posed by Ben, not the fact that Tesco has shed jobs.
RFQ.

[admin]

even in your feeble diseased mind OM?

Less of the personal attacks please.

Admin

[FD2]

Even Andrew Marr has been driven to criticise the EU 'leaders'. I wonder why these people refuse to appear, even on a show where a remain supporter would probably give them an easy time?

[Capetonian]

Less of the personal attacks please.
Admin

Since you've mentioned this, I think it is time that KnC's ongoing unpleasant, snide, denigratory remarks to everybody who disagrees with him were reined in. Since his joining, this thread in particular has become a far less pleasant place and many of his postings are irrelevant, or barely relevant, to Brexit and appear to be constructed purely (and puerilely!) to upset others.

Robust debate is fine, continuous vicious digs and aspersions about other people's intelligence, ability, employment options, and so on are not.

[ExSp33db1rd]

A UK friend, answering my question about Backstop, has just suggested that the Backstop is like finding that there isn't a chair for Auntie to attend the family Christmas Dinner, so arranging for her to be murdered, instead !

Seems reasonable to me.

[om15]

As an aside to Cape's comments, it does appear to be that personal comments made on this forum tend to emanate from those of a socialist persuasion, perhaps they need cheering up, here is something to lift their spirits,