Re: WTF is happening in the UK?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:15 am
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"Wreck Brexit" is tautological as Brexit is intrinsically self wrecking!llondel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:36 amHe was elected to get Brexit done. He did that, but had no real plan for what to do afterwards. He was also trying to clean up the mess left by his predecessors and deal with all those trying to wreck Brexit, so I don't hold him entirely responsible for the depth of the manure.
Agree.llondel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:36 amHe was elected to get Brexit done. He did that, but had no real plan for what to do afterwards. He was also trying to clean up the mess left by his predecessors and deal with all those trying to wreck Brexit, so I don't hold him entirely responsible for the depth of the manure.
In what way did he get Brexit done? Him saying he did is not getting it done!Pontius Navigator wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:28 amAgree.llondel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:36 amHe was elected to get Brexit done. He did that, but had no real plan for what to do afterwards. He was also trying to clean up the mess left by his predecessors and deal with all those trying to wreck Brexit, so I don't hold him entirely responsible for the depth of the manure.
Disagree with him being worse than May or Cameron.
May bottled Brexit and Cameron just bottled it.
Where I come from something is not done until it is completed! Tis that simple!
Sadly it is. Brexit is 'completed' by bumbling Boris and the Cabs. That is what I meant by 'done'. To sort it out is an immense task and one I cannot see the EU agreeing to take on. Unless there is a change of government here the EU will simply see a hobbled party in power and distrust everything they say - and, sadly, I cannot blame them for that. The 'new' Tory party government is going to be exactly the same shambles - look at the two of them - and we've got om and his blue-rinsers having the say in who wins, God help us. More 'U-turns' and 'blow-backs' than a game of Uckers.Where I come from something is not done until it is completed! Tis that simple!
We are essentially ad idem.Boac wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:16 pmSadly it is. Brexit is 'completed' by bumbling Boris and the Cabs. That is what I meant by 'done'. To sort it out is an immense task and one I cannot see the EU agreeing to take on. Unless there is a change of government here the EU will simply see a hobbled party in power and distrust everything they say - and, sadly, I cannot blame them for that. The 'new' Tory party government is going to be exactly the same shambles - look at the two of them - and we've got om and his blue-rinsers having the say in who wins, God help us. More 'U-turns' and 'blow-backs' than a game of Uckers.Where I come from something is not done until it is completed! Tis that simple!
Isn't that in Libya?TheGreenAnger wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:03 amWe are essentially ad idem.Boac wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:16 pmSadly it is. Brexit is 'completed' by bumbling Boris and the Cabs. That is what I meant by 'done'. To sort it out is an immense task and one I cannot see the EU agreeing to take on. Unless there is a change of government here the EU will simply see a hobbled party in power and distrust everything they say - and, sadly, I cannot blame them for that. The 'new' Tory party government is going to be exactly the same shambles - look at the two of them - and we've got om and his blue-rinsers having the say in who wins, God help us. More 'U-turns' and 'blow-backs' than a game of Uckers.Where I come from something is not done until it is completed! Tis that simple!
Probably the only place in Libya where people agree!
"We are essentially ad idem."
Isn't that in Libya?
Rubbish, you get out. That's everyone's advice. The brutal reality is she made the wrong decision, against all advice.The brutal reality is that she had a dreadful conundrum whether to get out of the car or stay in.
The real idiot here is the meathead in the truck that killed her. He deserves "heavy" prison time. How difficult is it to spot a stationary car with hazards on. Multiple other vehicles spotted her and avoided the lane. All this other pious stuff about not stopping where she did is moot on a so called "Smart" motorway where any breakdown will put the driver in extreme peril (despite the tendentious drivel put out by government departments and agencies). As for Green Flag, just black flag them.Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:40 pmhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... king-hard/
I would have thought the result here explains exactly why Green Flag has a policy of only collecting people on the hard shoulder. The judge is an idiot.Rubbish, you get out. That's everyone's advice. The brutal reality is she made the wrong decision, against all advice.The brutal reality is that she had a dreadful conundrum whether to get out of the car or stay in.
Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:42 amThe driver is not an idiot. He's licensed, he's done his time for a previous offence, and he's doing what his bosses tell him. And he's got to make a living. He was tired, and so inattentive.
It is very easy indeed to not register a stationary vehicle with hazards on in daytime when fatigued. The brain assumes all vehicles are moving normally since they almost always do. Anti-collision lights on aircraft don't serve their purpose either (you see the ones that won't hit you, but not the ones that will, and I have first-hand experience of that).
Governments across the western world, not just the UK, know that the transport system would collapse overnight if it were enforced that every truck driver was properly trained, licensed, paid, and rested. Being rammed by a truck from behind whilst stationary or slow moving has been my biggest concern for my entire driving career. And since we all know this, Green Flag have been forced into their policy.
Does their policy mean they refuse to attend 'smart' motorways, I wonder?
So what will fix the problem? Properly rested truck drivers, which means they need to be allowed to use their own judgement, and paid so that that isn't a factor in their decision-making. Neither of these happens generally. I was very relieved to hear our local snowplow dispatcher saying that is exactly what he does here. The drivers make their own calls about rest and meal breaks. They can go home for supper and a rest whenever they like, and they drive when they are able. They are paid per day, not per hour or minute on the road. There is no cab 'spy'. And as best as I can tell, they get the roads clear at least as fast as anywhere else. What helps is that they all live locally, so they are clearing the roads for their neighbours. And I have not heard of anyone being rammed from behind by a snowplow, despite the often atrocious conditions and a lot of vehicles stationary due to breakdowns or being stuck in drifts.
I do have some sympathy for the drivers' predicament, and agree that there are some very good drivers out there too, and, yes, there are some pretty ruthless, not to say criminal, dispatchers out there too! I could go off piste here and grind on about my project difficulties in introducing a telematics system midst the the sub-contracted drivers of the tanker/bowser fleet of a well known French fuel company some years back but I will refrain from that here. Suffice it to say that I have a chapter in my personal memoir, which will be entitled "violence and databases!" It was a tough period and only sweetened by the fact that my next role involved in rolling out a complex logistics system for the commercial and light aviation arms of said company which was very rewarding!Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:16 amMy brother is a highly professional UK trucker, he won pay bonuses for no accidents back when they still did those....so he has stopped doing it. That is the state of the industry now.
It is not possible to make a decent living driving safely for the vast majority of companies. In between careers, I have occasionally worked in warehouse dispatch offices, and I can assure you that bloody stupid decisions are regularly made by dispatch bosses, with no consideration for driver fatigue, then drivers are yelled at or threatened with dismissal till they do it.