BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

[FD2]

Krystal - do you know what expressing yourself 'clearly and concisely' means? Clearly not - why use a few words when dozens will do? The concepts are not difficult are they? Perhaps you meant 'simple' rather than 'simplistic'?
'Foe' option clicked before I start banging my head against the wall.
I loved the way you responded to the hunt invitation BTW.

[om15]

socially unacceptable face of UK society

Socially unacceptable by who? If you fly over the UK you will notice that the areas between the blackened hell holes that are our cities are still full of small towns, villages and open country side. Those that inhabit these areas tend, in the main, to have lifestyles that haven't changed too much for hundreds of years, they still plough fields, coppice hedges, work all week and go to the pub on Sundays in the same way their grandfathers did.
This lack of change is sneered at by the town dwelling socialists who can't stand being in the minority, but despite the noisy outcry from the celebs, unemployed, champagne socialists and media luvvies I'm afraid that you are still in the minority, fox hunting is part of country life and that is here to stay, as is Brexit of course.
Shame for you of course, but that's the way it is, you lot sell each other the Big Issue and convince yourselves of your superiority and we will just carry on, you mustn't let yourself become irritated by us.

[FD2]

ps The link to EU central doesn't work for me - I can't tell if it's 'dry' humour or not. Perhaps they only allow Remainers to see it. And wtf has 'Bloggs vs an airline' got to do with anything? I thought the point was that the lady in question was getting cross about NDAs being issued to drug/medicine etc companies. Here's a concept for you Krystal - perhaps it's not a sinister posh Tory plot but simply a sensible way of keeping the UK's powder dry and not letting those spivs in Brussels know what's going on. Is that simple enough?

[Capetonian]

I don't really want to derail this discussion but I cannot let the reference to fox 'hunting' go.

If you fly over the UK you will notice that the areas between the blackened hell holes that are our cities are still full of small towns, villages and open country side. Those that inhabit these areas tend, in the main, to have lifestyles that haven't changed too much for hundreds of years, they still plough fields, coppice hedges, work all week and go to the pub on Sundays in the same way their grandfathers did.

This is one of the things I love about the UK, along with the smell of wood smoke on a chilly winter afternoon with the sun low in a pale red sky, the smell of farming, the friendliness of country folk, and many other things.

I am invariably in full agreement with om15 and he and I often seem to have uncannily similar views, but I cannot agree with his apparent support of fox 'hunting'. Foxes are destructive and rather nasty vermin, they're not sweet cute cuddly animals as often portrayed. I had an unpleasant close encounter with one a few years ago, and due to the stupidity of people providing them with food, their numbers have increased and they need to be culled. What I cannot agree with is the desire of some people to do this by chasing them across the countryside, accompanied by baying dogs and people on horseback, for them to be caused suffering and then inhumanely killed.

[om15]

Capes, I don't follow the hunt like many, as far as I am concerned it is a country side tradition based on country side ways, however it seems to be hi jacked by the lefties who wish to impose their own views on the rest of us, in the same way that Brexit is bitterly resented by the minority simply because, in their view, we shouldn't be permitted to challenge their right to decide what is best for the rest of us, it is because of that I support the hunt rather than feeling delight at the consequences.
As far as I am aware, in places like Exmoor and the moors in the north of England, the only way to access the land and track foxes is by horse, and in many cases the dogs are simply used to flush out the foxes who are then shot, the old way of foxes being torn apart in front of young children is much rarer than the hysterical Gaudian reports suggest.

[Slasher]

A question to all Englishmen Englishwomen English sheepdogs whatever.

Done a bit of thinking and research on Mrs May. Looked at how I can ask in a condensed form without too much blathering, so I searched for something similar and found this:





Note that this clip was made prior to the leadership challenge.


My question is, in essence: do you agree with what that bloke said for the large part?

[Pontius Navigator]

Our local hunt has had to relocate from its traditional Boxing Day meeting place in the town centre.

Horrarh you might say, but think on, the shops, cafés, bars and restaurants that would have benefitted as the hunt moved on will all loose trade. Although they might gain from others put off by the sight of horses and hounds.

[om15]

Slash, people may be forgiven for assuming a conspiracy theory about how the Brexit negotiations are being conducted, my own view is rather that Mrs May has made an attempt to soften the exit due to business and practical measures. I would have favoured a hard Brexit from the beginning, but all politicians will compromise and fail to negotiate properly, that's why they are not in business.
My prediction is that the EU will, at the very last minute, bin the backstop and an agreement on the lines of the current withdrawal agreement will be voted through.

One point that I will make, the media (BBC, Channel 4, Guardian and others) are making such a noise about Brexit that you may think that we have changed our minds, but behind the noise I don't think any who voted leave will have had second thoughts, those that bay for a second referendum are so convinced that this will automatically produce the result they want it would be good to have one simply so we can stick it up them twice.

PN, good point, the local stables for the Portman hunt employ local people, as do the kennels that look after the hounds, also the funds generated provide shelter and feed for the horses who would otherwise be put down. It is easy to be seduced by the shrill outrage of the Guardian and other city newspapers, but looking carefully at this it can be seen that it is actually a part of country life ( the same as pheasant shooting) rather than something for the toffs to do on a day off work.

[om15]

I have just read this article, the very fact that Health and Safety Regulations are now being brandished at those people peacefully following the hunt should disbar socialists from ever being elected again.

The Countryside Alliance has launched a campaign to protect Boxing Day meets after councils received detailed requests about preparations for their staging on council land.
Pro-hunting campaigners have dismissed the health and safety tactic as “cynical way of trying to stop rural people gathering and enjoying themselves at Christmas”.
So far two councils – Broadway Parish Council which hosts the North Cotswold Hunt and Dalston Parish Council which hosts the Cumberland Farmers Foxhounds – have received the requests for health and safety information.
The requests typically ask as the “event organiser completed an events application pack”, whether “a competent person completed a Risk Assessment” and if the organiser is “using council equipment to close any roads”.
It adds: “If the hunt has an exemption to the usual requirements for holding public events, please would you let me know exactly where the exemption is specified.

“If the hunt has no specific exemption, then it is subject to the usual procedures and licensing requirements.
“Nobody is exempt from Public Health and Safety. If the answers to these questions are unsatisfactory, then the hunt must be cancelled.”

[Pontius Navigator]

That is probably why our hunt had to move.

[4mastacker]

The local hunt meet every year in our town centre on Boxing Day but his year faced the objections of the local branch of the Momentum/Marxist/Toytown Trots Labour Party.

[Bob]

Our local hunt has had to relocate from its traditional Boxing Day meeting place in the town centre.

Horrarh you might say, but think on, the shops, cafés, bars and restaurants that would have benefitted as the hunt moved on will all loose trade. Although they might gain from others put off by the sight of horses and hounds.

I might say there is more to life than the economy...much much more.
I don't expect many of the souless little American shits in here would agree though

[ian16th]

Happy Christmas Krystal. This is the local Portman Hunt that meets on Boxing Day, you ought to come down, the fresh air will do you good.

An ancestor of mine, who was the 1st Master of The Cleveland Hunt.

[om15]

I saw that guy in the village this afternoon.

[Krystal n Chips]

Lets see.....country pursuits to start with.

And om 15 presents an idyllic view of our green and septic isle ( and yes, I have actually viewed it from the air /land and sea ) but misses out a few details .

It is populated by "country people ". who dress to impress, drive top of the range marques and merely reside in splendid residences without ever risking getting their pinkies dirty..some actually get very confused as to the noises and smells when they move into the countryside. Almost entirely Tory / UKIP voters, the rural Tory is far more dangerous than the urban species, many still enthusing about feudalism and keeping the minions in their rightful place.

The reality..rural poverty, lack of rural investment / infrastructure, increase in rural crime, lack of rural health providers....some of these mentioned in the link, some not. And farmers voting to leave the EU on the basis of promises made by Gove concerning subsidies. Would anybody really trust Gove ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -yorkshire

Fox hunting....rightly banned for the barbarity masquerading as "sport ". Some might recall the demos in London concerning the proposed ban at the time....here's a clue to those participating. They weren't the riders or owners...they were the staff who had been told to protest or....your fired.

FD2....oh man !....what part of the reasons for applying an NDA are so elusive and difficult to comprehend for you ?..the reasons are very, very, simple. Their purpose is to hide information which could be detrimental to the source. The UK Gov't are now issuing contingency plans for Brexit, very civil minded and helpful, but, they also have something to hide from the electorate.....and that should concern every voter in the UK.

Mr Slasher.....Treeza, a summary. Standard issue sour faced blue rinse Tory with no discernible talent. An unremarkable career, apart from a very extended stay as Home Sec. during which she did manage to screw up many lives mainly innocent immigrants, before accidently becoming PM thanks to Cameron screwing up, well lacking any form of moral resolve, and calling a referendum. Duly embarked on more policy "U " turns than a boy racer on a Saturday night and proclaimed she would not hold another General Election, six times in fact, before duly doing so.

This didn't quite produce the three figure majority she expected, in fact she reduced the Tory majority so had to bribe here new best friends, Arlene and the DUP, with a bung of about £1bn to help swell any votes when required. Alas, Arlene is also more than a few strands off the old Orange Order Sash, so this was never really going to be harmonious as recent events have proved. She survived a vote of "no confidence " from her own incestuous rabble, but did kindly say she wouldn't leave the Tories into the next election. Also very fond of gambolling through wheat fields in her past.

[Slasher]

Thanks for replies and viewpoints. I still reckon the 39 billion quid divorce settlement stinks to high heaven though.

[Capetonian]

Thanks om15 as always for responding to my post in a non-confrontational, logical and informative manner. A pity that others (sorry, 1 other) can't do the same when challenged.

I do note with some sadness that there have been a number of unpleasant incidents today with pro vs. anti 'hunting' groups.

[Beef Raiser]

It is populated by "country people ". who dress to impress, drive top of the range marques and merely reside in splendid residences without ever risking getting their pinkies dirty

The reality..rural poverty, lack of rural investment / infrastructure, increase in rural crime, lack of rural health providers

Oh dear, what a collection of confused and contradictory statements. What is it then, luxury cars or poverty ? Out here "in the sticks", most people I know are very self-sufficient, fixing things themselves when they break, growing some of their own food and eating eggs laid by their own chickens. Crime is low, people are friendly and a lack of infrastructure stops significant development. When I lived in London, I didn't know what my neighbour looked like. It was handy being able to nip over to Borough Market and buy all sorts of overpriced food but now, the honey comes from my neighbour's hives, free of charge. I know the chap who brews my beer and the bloke that makes my cheese. In return, the village know the chap who can probably fix their broadband i.e. me. Regarding healthcare, there are a couple of doctors who would attend in 2 minutes should there be a real emergency and if you need the Police, there are two who live within a minute's walk.

What we don't seem to have is a bitter and twisted socialist spreading envy. I guess you just can't have everything.

[om15]

It is populated by "country people ". who dress to impress, drive top of the range marques and merely reside in splendid residences without ever risking getting their pinkies dirty..some actually get very confused as to the noises and smells when they move into the countryside. Almost entirely Tory / UKIP voters, the rural Tory is far more dangerous than the urban species, many still enthusing about feudalism and keeping the minions in their rightful place.

You need to get out more and stop reading the Guardian for inspiration on how to think.

[Pontius Navigator]

Don’t keep quoting him, guys - it means he pops up again in front of me and is most unwelcome.

Note bene