Echo that PN - snatches of whining and class hatred breaking through the ether of the normally sensible discussion, in the form of quotes!
Lots of us are from humble backgrounds but somehow manage to keep all that bile and envy of richer people in check.
I enjoyed a lot of rough shooting when we lived near Aberdeen - pigeons, rabbits, pheasants, grouse, hares and the occasional deer if we were lucky. Some great fishing up there too. All ended up being cooked and delicious they were.
Foxes were a nuisance at times though and in the absence of a local hunt up there we would shoot them if we could. It kept their numbers down and the local livestock and lambs safe. I would personally prefer to control them with guns - the mange-infested, scavenging city living foxes can be trapped and destroyed. Foxes are vermin, not little people in furry suits.
Country folk by and large know where their meat comes from, unlike lots of city kids who think it magically appears in supermarkets in polythene wrappers. It comes from slaughtering those moo cows, oinky pigs, baa lambs etc in a abattoir, children. Some townies moved to a village near us in Gloucestershire and immediately started whining about the church bells on Sunday mornings and the smell of that awful cow poo on the road by the farm and the mess it made on their cars.
Sorry about the thread drift - this doesn't directly concern Brexit I know, but I hear they have some cracking hunting and shooting in the EU and no doubt they would welcome guest hunters after Brexit.
It is populated by "country people ". who dress to impress, drive top of the range marques and merely reside in splendid residences without ever risking getting their pinkies dirty
The reality..rural poverty, lack of rural investment / infrastructure, increase in rural crime, lack of rural health providers
Oh dear, what a collection of confused and contradictory statements. What is it then, luxury cars or poverty ? Out here "in the sticks", most people I know are very self-sufficient, fixing things themselves when they break, growing some of their own food and eating eggs laid by their own chickens. Crime is low, people are friendly and a lack of infrastructure stops significant development. When I lived in London, I didn't know what my neighbour looked like. It was handy being able to nip over to Borough Market and buy all sorts of overpriced food but now, the honey comes from my neighbour's hives, free of charge. I know the chap who brews my beer and the bloke that makes my cheese. In return, the village know the chap who can probably fix their broadband i.e. me. Regarding healthcare, there are a couple of doctors who would attend in 2 minutes should there be a real emergency and if you need the Police, there are two who live within a minute's walk.
What we don't seem to have is a bitter and twisted socialist spreading envy. I guess you just can't have everything.
Mr Beefer...are you, by any chance a scriptwriter for Penelope Keith's programmes featuring her little jaunts around the UK and the cosy twee rural idylls she arrives in ?
A few inconvenient facts therefore. Family relatives had a small holding near Congleton ....thus very familiar with where chicken dinners came from when we visited. And indeed quite a few other aspects of rural life. More bad news...one of my Bil's was a former police officer in Suffolk ..before he moved into Traffic, he was involved in rural crime...it just doesn't make the headlines in the same way as urban crime does.
For about 8 years I lived not far from a little hamlet broadly populated by a mix of ex military, dedicated Tory / UKIP supporters . those with ahem "inherited wealth ! and locals who could trace their "close family ties " back several generations. Thus I witnessed first hand the arrogance of "country people " and their interpretation of country living.....diametrically opposite to those who do and did work in agriculture. At one annual agricultural show, a worker was sadly killed...the dismissive comment from one of the organisers ? " he worked in the countryside, he knew the risks "....and not one iota of sympathy or concern, was telling would you not say ?
The local hunt would parade down the High street every Boxing day. This to graciously wave at the local serfs and vassals who were ordered in a diktat printed on the local rag, and trust me it was a classical local rag, to attend. Naturally said rag gave extensive coverage to the event, even the horses names were mentioned. Strangely, my social diary for Boxing day always negated my attendance.
Since pheasant shooting gets more than a passing mention, and some feathers seem to have been ruffled on here in this respect, here's a splendid little clip to entertain you all......
It is populated by "country people ". who dress to impress, drive top of the range marques and merely reside in splendid residences without ever risking getting their pinkies dirty
The reality..rural poverty, lack of rural investment / infrastructure, increase in rural crime, lack of rural health providers
Oh dear, what a collection of confused and contradictory statements. What is it then, luxury cars or poverty ? Out here "in the sticks", most people I know are very self-sufficient, fixing things themselves when they break, growing some of their own food and eating eggs laid by their own chickens. Crime is low, people are friendly and a lack of infrastructure stops significant development. When I lived in London, I didn't know what my neighbour looked like. It was handy being able to nip over to Borough Market and buy all sorts of overpriced food but now, the honey comes from my neighbour's hives, free of charge. I know the chap who brews my beer and the bloke that makes my cheese. In return, the village know the chap who can probably fix their broadband i.e. me. Regarding healthcare, there are a couple of doctors who would attend in 2 minutes should there be a real emergency and if you need the Police, there are two who live within a minute's walk.
What we don't seem to have is a bitter and twisted socialist spreading envy. I guess you just can't have everything.
Mr Beefer...are you, by any chance a scriptwriter for Penelope Keith's programmes featuring her little jaunts around the UK and the cosy twee rural idylls she arrives in ?
A few inconvenient facts therefore. Family relatives had a small holding near Congleton ....thus very familiar with where chicken dinners came from when we visited. And indeed quite a few other aspects of rural life. More bad news...one of my Bil's was a former police officer in Suffolk ..before he moved into Traffic, he was involved in rural crime...it just doesn't make the headlines in the same way as urban crime does.
For about 8 years I lived not far from a little hamlet broadly populated by a mix of ex military, dedicated Tory / UKIP supporters, those with, ahem "inherited wealth " and locals who could trace their "close family ties " back several generations. Thus I witnessed first hand the arrogance of "country people " and their interpretation of "country living"..... which is diametrically opposite to those who do and did work in agriculture. At one annual agricultural show, a worker was sadly killed...the dismissive comment from one of the organisers ? " he worked in the countryside, he knew the risks "....and not one iota of sympathy or concern, was telling would you not say ?
The local hunt would parade down the High street every Boxing day. This to graciously wave at the local serfs and vassals who were ordered in a diktat printed on the local rag, and trust me it was a classical local rag, to attend. Naturally said rag gave extensive coverage to the event, even the horses names were mentioned. Strangely, my social diary for Boxing day always negated my attendance.
Since pheasant / grouse shooting gets more than a passing mention, and some feathers seem to have been ruffled on here in this respect, here's a splendid little clip to entertain you all......
To assuage the angst of many however, would now be a good time to ask how those fervent UK patriots intend to celebrate " the day " in March next year?.....a few triple Gordon's snorters for brekkie, fully attired in suits with regimental / squadron ties secured with a Windsor knot, the house adorned with Union Jack Flags, Vera whatshername playing all day and thereafter boiled beef and carrots followed by spotted dick for luncheon perhaps ?
Foxes are a damned nuisance in Islington and wild boar likewise in our Spanish community. Sadly in neithern place are you allowed to shoot 'em. Urban foxes carry some nasty diseases and the African Parasite infecting Spanish boar is fatal to humans.
Foxes are a damned nuisance in Islington and wild boar likewise in our Spanish community. Sadly in neithern place are you allowed to shoot 'em. Urban foxes carry some nasty diseases and the African Parasite infecting Spanish boar is fatal to humans.
Yep, it could get a bit messy..... blasting away randomly at a fox in Islington....and missing.... also tends to be fatal to humans.
Anyway, a culinary analogy for you all ......many of you should be able to identify with being core ingredients .
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The Guardian would be far more interesting and readable if it replaced articles like this to ones written by bricklayers or lorry drivers, it appears that most of their contracted authors have never held down a proper job which is why their articles are so pointless and boring.
Well Krystal, the foxes run for cover when gunfire erupts (if gunfire can erupt) in Islington but it's usually not being aimed at the foxes in the first place. A few anti-fox shotgun blasts would not be noticed among the gang warfare in Essex Rd.
For about 8 years I lived not far from a little hamlet broadly populated by a mix of ex military, dedicated Tory / UKIP supporters . those with ahem "inherited wealth !
Just what is wrong with inherited wealth?
When my father died he left me with debts to settle and a funeral to pay for.
I worked all of my life, from the age of 15. Never drew a days dole.
I sent my son to a private school and I hope to leave him the price of a house in Oz.
I've done this in one way, it was called WORKING!
There is no way I think that MY taxed paid money should be used to pay for asylum seekers and single mothers, with kids to men they don't know the names of.
Nothing at all, unless you are a bitter and twisted impoverished and unsuccessful socialist who is jealous of anyone who might have money, whether it was acquired by hard work or inheritance.
Nothing at all, unless you are a bitter and twisted impoverished and unsuccessful socialist who is jealous of anyone who might have money, whether it was acquired by hard work or inheritance.
There's nothing at all wrong with inherited wealth , if this wealth was accrued through honesty and selfless endeavour that is.
However, for me it becomes very unattractive when said wealth was acquired through dubious means and / or the exploitation of others efforts who were not rewarded accordingly .
It becomes even more repugnant when this wealth is openly flaunted in the faces of those who were inconveniently born into families whose heritage has not provided this fiscal benefit and who are subjected to unwarranted castigation and condemnation for subsequently having to be reliant on state benefits to merely survive, not live as full a life as they may wish.
And may I politely reiterate, in case you missed it, that I am one of those strange people who has no interest, and never has or will, in materialistic acquisitions.
As we know, garden transformations are all the rage in some communities in the UK..saves all the mess and inconvenience of doing something called gardening after all and a new paved area at the front allows the residents to display their latest top of the range marque of choice to the neighbours....prior to the school run that is.....so adieu to Kent as the "garden of England " and welcome to the County's new status.."the truck park of England ".
However, you have to love the irony as to which ferry operator is top of the list....and which is at the bottom. Vive La France !
And for those on here who were "somewhat perplexed " as to my concerns about NDA's, try reading the article fully, even if it's from the BBC, and then read between the proverbial lines.
We get urban foxes around here. They either scavenge from disposal bags at the various restaurants, or hunt for small squeaky things in the nearby railway cutting and the adjacent allotments. We've seen them in the garden, but a snarling, spitting bundle of fury (MtMM) has seen them off, despite the 2:1 weight advantage in their favour.
BREXIT is unlikely to change any of that. I'm frankly astonished that the remain faction, who, unless they have head-in-sand syndrome, must have seen the odious behaviour of the EU towards the UK, are still fighting to remain. Do these people have no confidence in themselves or their country? Are they content to be the alveoli that allows others to suck at the European tit? I simply don't get it.
We are not bound by, say, Canadian law or New Zealand law; our courts can however take account of it. Why can't we do the same with EU law instead of being bound by it?
Do these people have no confidence in themselves or their country?
Exactly, why do they think that EU laws are better for our country than our own laws, I'm beginning to think that the remain movement is more incensed about us leaving because in their opinion those that chose to leave are ill educated, parochial and shouldn't have the deciding voice in the future of our country. They simply can't give a coherent reason why we are better off being a small part of a failing organisation rather than being responsible for our own future.
Hammond and Carney are in a position where they have, through project fear, stated that we will be worse off leaving, so there is no incentive to prove themselves wrong, so they should both make way for people who will ensure that we are better off.
Meanwhile another batch of Iranian/Iraqi/goodness knows who have been despatched across the Channel by the French, that's ninety this week, perhaps we should just pass them on to Eire, they appear to like foreigners.
I'm not sure how many EU countries these migrants have passed through - I thought they were supposed to be dealt with by the first country they reached. If they are refugees their cases should have been dealt with likewise and if they really are fleeing persecution or a greater threat to their safety, then I'm sure the EU has a system for dealing with that in a decent, humane fashion. I hope they don't deal with them in such a nasty fashion as they've been dealing with the UK!
It's so peaceful on here now I've pressed that 'foe' button - just people writing intelligible, intelligent comments. I would love to hear some concise, constructive comments from pro-EU folk who can write comprehensible comments - these important matters are supposed to be two-sided are they not?
OM15 'Exactly, why do they think that EU laws are better for our country than our own laws, I'm beginning to think that the remain movement is more incensed about us leaving because in their opinion those that chose to leave are ill educated, parochial and shouldn't have the deciding voice in the future of our country.' - is that why pro-Brexit people are called 'gammons'? Some sort of snide implication that they are thick pigs?
I think the people in these boats should be taken back to Calais or Boulogne as soon as they have been 'rescued' and given a medical checks by the UK. Have the French just decided that they can no longer be bothered to control their borders? What has le petit Napoleon got to say about it? The buzz just doesn't seem to have reached the migrants that the UK is finished and will be going down the tubes in March - it must be true because every Remainer and his dog has said so, along with EU politicians and many ultra smart people in the UK.
