BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

[Slasher]

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[AtomKraft]

Where's the like button. Brilliant!

[probes]

How about this for an idea?

Let's leave!

yeah, but the politicians wouldn't, would they? And, with the border closed that-will-never-happen...

[OFSO]

Currently there are the highest number of people in work in the UK ever recorded, with 853,000 vacancies.

[om15]

The logic of choosing to remain in a failing union that is most obviously on the rocks is most odd. The intelligentsia that are making so much noise about remaining are failing to counter the fact that GB has much higher employment statistics, lower taxes and a better order book than most of the EU countries, with boundless opportunities once we leave the EU.
I say this very quietly, do you think it might be because they are rather thick? If you look at the media luvvies, TV hosts and certain politicians that are noisily pro remain is there one that would have passed the 11+ exam do you think.

[OFSO]

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Thick ? Moi ?

[BenThere]

If that woman can win a UK election, all is lost. Her race and appearance has nothing to do with it. It's her prejudices and rhetoric that are poison.

As for Brexit, don't discount the sympathies abounding around the Anglo sphere. I might even step up to acquire either the Bentley or Aston-Martin I've had my eye on all my life. My father in law died Monday at 83; he was totally spent and hardly functioning when my wife and I came home from Australia last week. So glad we were able to spend time with him and stay in his home at the end. My haunting thought is that when he watched his daughter leaving for America again, realizing he would not be likely to ever see her again, he was ready to give up after having fought off diabetes, cancer, joint decrepitation, and other maladies that required a tray of medications that would satisfy a robust appetite.

Hardly able to walk, and barely conscious, he insisted on attending the family opening of Christmas presents. I watched him take it all in and saw joy in his tired eyes. He knew this would be his last one, and he absolutely loved the great grandchildren climbing on his knee.

My hat is off to you, Trevor. You were a truly good man, and gave me a wonderful wife.

[Wodrick]

Those are nice words Ben

[Capetonian]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... exit-vote/

This is worth watching. O'Brien is so obnoxious, disrespectful, bullying, and JRM remains calm and controlled.

Separately, I received this today. Not sure how much is true, I think some is speculative.

> This is what happens when we stay in Europe. How can anybody in their right
> mind want this
> WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO
> FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK
> THIS THE DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW,
> LEAVERS AND REMAINERS..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a
> question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
>
>
> Check it out if you wish ——>>
>
>
> 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention
> veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to
> that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
> 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU
> by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or
> veto’s.
> 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state
> must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon
> treaty.
> 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be
> integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus
> jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed
> and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if
> Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK
> remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
> 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of
> the UK.
> 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down
> without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to
> have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
> 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
> 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
> 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
> 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
> 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
> 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by
> 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
> 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
> 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear
> deterrent
> 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
> 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
> 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
> 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.:
> Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
> 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
> 20: The UK loses control of its international policy
> 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
> 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
> 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
> 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
> 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
> 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of
> 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
> This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
> They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned
> into Orwellian automatons!

[compo]

People should check their sources before posting bollox.

[BenThere]

You're a remainer, I presume, M. compo?

Do all those conditions Capetonian listed look good to you? If so, do you live on the continent?

[Slasher]

People should check their sources before posting bollox.

Not sure how much is true, I think some is speculative.

People should fully read other's posts before posting Mr Compo.

[llondel]

That doesn't look like the Lisbon Treaty to me. Much of the damage it was set up to do came into force in 2014.

[Krystal n Chips]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... exit-vote/

This is worth watching. O'Brien is so obnoxious, disrespectful, bullying, and JRM remains calm and controlled.

Separately, I received this today. Not sure how much is true, I think some is speculative.

> This is what happens when we stay in Europe. How can anybody in their right
> mind want this
> WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO
> FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK
> THIS THE DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW,
> LEAVERS AND REMAINERS..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a
> question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
>
>
> Check it out if you wish ——>>
>
>
> 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention
> veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to
> that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
> 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU
> by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or
> veto’s.
> 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state
> must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon
> treaty.
> 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be
> integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus
> jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed
> and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if
> Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK
> remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
> 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of
> the UK.
> 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down
> without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to
> have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
> 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
> 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
> 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
> 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
> 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
> 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by
> 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
> 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
> 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear
> deterrent
> 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
> 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
> 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
> 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.:
> Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
> 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
> 20: The UK loses control of its international policy
> 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
> 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
> 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
> 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
> 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
> 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of
> 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
> This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
> They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned
> into Orwellian automatons!

Very emotive and jingoistic ......a classical piece of articulate misinformation distributed with one purpose in mind, and with an equally lacking in cognitive development target audience in mind, notably to induce fallacies and lies masquerading as "facts ".

Certain UK right wing media rags have been producing similar for many years now.....the content looks and sounds plausible, until that is, closer scrutiny reveals the subliminal text.

The lack of a verifiable source, and the risible caveat about "not sure how much is true, I think some is speculative " immediately confirms the article is a fabrication and that, in all probability, it's been sourced from a generic data base on a right wing web site.


"If that woman can win a UK election, all is lost. Her race and appearance has nothing to do with it. It's her prejudices and rhetoric that are poison
"

You seem somewhat oblivious to the fact these two facets got Trump elected.

And now, a topic which got mentioned on here and, not surprisingly, received lots of fulsome support. Enter then, those paragons of multiculturalism ..UKIP !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... stosterone

Note also the choice of publication for her decidedly conscious bias racist ideology .....the "Conservative Woman ", This particular on line sewage outfall, obscure though it is, was brought to our attention over on TOP by a contributor who was, as they say, institutionalised by virtue of spending his entire working life in the RAF and thus incapable of understanding reality, as well as being unemployable, and even more so when you read and believe the content of said website.

Any of you care to confirm you are subscribers...chaps ?

Finally for those passionate advocates of "lets just leave "!......this report isn't going to be well received.....

However, the good news is that Mona can now replace Manston as a truck stop and lorry park !

https://www.channel4.com/news/what-impa ... rexit-have

[OFSO]

I see Mme Abbott has been appointed to the Labour Party executive to replace someone whose name escapes me but was booted off after failing to mention that her son, to whom she gave a parliamentary job, was a convicted drug-dealer. Corbyn appointed his ex-amorata against the wishes of some of his supporters, thus alienating the rest of the party who either hate him because he won't back a referendum or (continued page 94).

[Krystal n Chips]

I see Mme Abbott has been appointed to the Labour Party executive to replace someone whose name escapes me but was booted off after failing to mention that her son, to whom she gave a parliamentary job, was a convicted drug-dealer. Corbyn appointed his ex-amorata against the wishes of some of his supporters, thus alienating the rest of the party who either hate him because he won't back a referendum or (continued page 94).

A worthy, but slightly flawed, attempt to emulate a Mail columnist with regard to not being entirely accurate....

This is the lady in question who, despite others before her, and being one of m'learned friends as well, chose to make a fool of herself...her son was conveniently included by various rags .

Mind you, as I know Thorney and the roads quite well, friend of mine lived in the converted windmill ( also one of those useful TP's it seems ) on the left as you approach from P'borough for a few years, she was daft to even attempt to speed in the first place as camera's and speed limits have been there for years and are well known.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... e-46602635

[OFSO]

Pound's at 1.15. The only reason I can see is the financial market's approval of Abbott's appointment.

(I was attempting emulate Private Eye, not the Mail as never having read the latter, unlike your goodself, I wouldn't know how !)

[om15]

I read an article this morning that indicates in the event of a snap general election there is a strong possibility of Labour, supported by the SNP, forming a Government with Corbyn as PM and Miss Diane as Home Secretary with a horror of Glaswegians at their elbows.
Have the young been taught nothing at school?
Should this horrifying event occur we must move our savings and assets to Venezuela and buy a house in Zimbabwe immediately.
All the while Junker and his jerry mates are sat in their Belgian bunker threatening to put up a hard border in Ireland in the event of a no deal, another good reason for a no deal as quickly as possible, if the EU wish to trash the economy of Eire for their own ideological reasons don't blame the British.

[Krystal n Chips]

Terrible news chaps !!!!......some of you may be reaching for the Gordon's, sans tonic, when this revelation permeates your faculties .....

Still, it's nice to confirm what we already knew....devoted Mail readers aside that is....

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/ ... sers#img-1

[Slasher]