BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

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Do you think the UK leaving the European Union would be a good thing?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:51 pm

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No
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28%
 
Total votes: 50

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3521 Post by Krystal n Chips » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:11 am

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I think that we are being teased by K&C, I believe that he has adopted the persona of a half mad Socialist with some form of demented military PTSD in order to provoke lively debate on the forum, I suspect that in reality he lives in a bungalow in Hale Barnes, wears slippers, smokes a pipe and is a member of the local Con Club.

The Gaudian has been the topic of much debate on here, I think that more serious links could be presented from the Beano.
A reasonable effort. but, alas, flawed. 4/10 therefore.

It's both amusing, and disturbing, in less than equal measure to read the petulance and immaturity offered by those who purport to be adults but whose insecurities are exemplified with their proud boast as to the use of the "ignore " function. Makes you wonder how they cope with reality and, as in some cases, aviation "professionals " the concept and practice of CRM....still, if it makes you happy to indulge in conforming to homogenous gurgling and rattle banging on a website, then who am I to deny you your simplistic pleasures.

Thus I am delighted to offer this heartfelt outpouring from a member of a party that has long excelled in attracting every dysfunctional extremist ...UKIP. in case any of the Mess ante-room wags and repartee fraternity are confused...and hence a true credit to its parties ideology. That said, his views clearly resonate with supporters of the party who may also have been marginalised by women.....for obvious reasons thoughtfully evidenced in their posts.

Please, don't dribble too much when you read his comments...it's rather unsightly and not really social etiquette after all....chaps.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3522 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:14 am

Quiet here today.

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#3523 Post by FD2 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:12 am

If only one could trace the source of that annoying whining noise from time to time.

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#3524 Post by Woody » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:28 am

Parliament back in session today, I’m sure that they’ll soon sort everything out =))
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#3525 Post by Krystal n Chips » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:02 am

FD2 wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:12 am
If only one could trace the source of that annoying whining noise from time to time.
Several possibilities spring to mind here. The first is your social circle includes former Harrier pilots, another is repeatedly listening to the engine of the heap, or, are there any denizens from the infernal triangle ( Coventry, Wolverhampton and Birmingham )close to you ?..... the latter in particular because they have three genetic traits...they think the world owes them a living....they are bone idle and...they whine and whinge.

Or you could have been having a telephone conversation with some other posters on here....

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3526 Post by om15 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:41 pm

the latter in particular because they have three genetic traits...they think the world owes them a living....they are bone idle and...they whine and whinge
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Hang on a minute, not all brummies are socialists, that area is the epicentre of the new Nigel look in politics, lots of right minded folk there, Manchester however, quite another matter.

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#3527 Post by Undried Plum » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:02 pm

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60% of Conservative party members will support the Brexit Party at the EU elections, apparently.
This is the same panel who supported TM's deal last month, by the same proportion.
Times have changed.
The Mail on Sunday has a survey showing 40% of Tory councillors will support the Brexit Party.
My Party right or wrong appears to be out the window. TM will likely go down as the worst PM anywhere, ever.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetor ... tions.html
That figure of 40% of Tory Councillors intending to vote for a Party other than their own is mind-boggling. Even when the men in grey suits of the 1922 Club were prising Attila the Hen off her perch, there hadn't been a revolt to such an extent.


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#3528 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:19 pm

What I'm pleased to see is that it doesn't seem to be just a demand for May to go. I think people are well aware that the problem is Conservative MPs as a whole. Even if they change the rules and boot May out, it's highly likely another remainer would get in, as they form a strong majority of Tory MPs. I do not see any significant swing within the Parliamentary party towards a genuine Brexit, and if anything, Rees-Mogg and his crowd have already shown themselves to be prepared to back a political comprise rather than honour the Referendum.
My own little Province has its election today. We will see if Islanders decide to reject the two party 'choose your liar' system they've had for over a hundred years. We are having a referendum too, on proportional voting, although it seems the method proposed is likely not to be chosen, because the Premier picked it for that reason.

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#3529 Post by Krystal n Chips » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:02 pm

Great news ! Treeza has a new job lined up already !.....seen here in training and coming to a ramp near you soon !..imagine being advised "marshaller awaits " only to trundle onto the ramp and seeing her there....astute readers will note however, she is directing to the right...so no change there.

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#3530 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am

PEI election results in.
Looking like a minority Conservative Government. Everybody played nicely together (possibly a World First). Everybody within the parties played nicely too; I was brought coffees and timbits by conservatives, liberals, and election officials. Premier lost his seat. Strong Green second party. Both candidates I helped won their seats. Every party leader has remained positive and collaborative in their results speeches. One by-election to come due to the death of a candidate during the election campaign. Every Government combination still possible, indeed this was a significant topic of conversation between different party's workers today. I think I can safely say that every major candidate, in every district, knocked on every door, including the Premier and all the other Party leaders. We have about 4,000 voters per District.
And the reason I mention all this is because I think many of the Brexit problems could be sorted if the politicians in Europe behaved the same way.
Looks like the referendum result is a NO, so we will be sticking with FPTP. Rural districts very heavily against MMP, seen as diluting the rural vote. This would include my district, and me. It's hard to see this effect in Europe, as it's so urbanised, but I think I can see it in the USA - rural v urban is going to be a growing problem.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3531 Post by Woody » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:01 am

Fox The Tory Party can’t even agree amongst itself on how to get rid of the worst Prime Minister in history, so I don’t think that the Canadian example of cooperation between parties is going to work.

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#3532 Post by Woody » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:14 am

Another great Brexit Party candidate, welcome Anne Widdecombe :ymdevil:
As an MP, Widdecombe was known for opposing the legality of abortion, her opposition to various issues of LGBT rights such as an equal age of consent and the repeal of Section 28, her support for the re-introduction of the death penalty, the retention of blasphemy laws and her opposition to fox hunting.
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#3533 Post by Krystal n Chips » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:48 am

Woody wrote:
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Another great Brexit Party candidate, welcome Anne Widdecombe :ymdevil:
As an MP, Widdecombe was known for opposing the legality of abortion, her opposition to various issues of LGBT rights such as an equal age of consent and the repeal of Section 28, her support for the re-introduction of the death penalty, the retention of blasphemy laws and her opposition to fox hunting.
Ah, her arrival may become a shade problematic. She was never averse to being the "must go to " soundbite for the media...along with one Teddy Taylor, but, alas, there is only one gob in the party who can be allowed to offer any pearls of wisdom when required....one does not foresee Nige abdicating his role in this respect.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3534 Post by om15 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:33 am

The Brexit Party continue to soar in the polls, more importantly the bookies, always a bench mark of popularity, show that the betting is going only one way in the EU elections, oddly it is the strange phenomenon of former Labour voters who are flocking to support the party, I wonder why that is? possibly their preoccupation with worrying about LGBT rights instead of making sure the councils empty our bins on time perhaps.

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#3535 Post by Krystal n Chips » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:15 pm

om15 wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:33 am
The Brexit Party continue to soar in the polls, more importantly the bookies, always a bench mark of popularity, show that the betting is going only one way in the EU elections, oddly it is the strange phenomenon of former Labour voters who are flocking to support the party, I wonder why that is? possibly their preoccupation with worrying about LGBT rights instead of making sure the councils empty our bins on time perhaps.
Since you mention soaring, I wish to point out, that, hot air does indeed rise....it also sinks. Actually, the noise from a vario to indicate you are in either rising or sinking air is remarkably similar to Nige

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#3536 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm

I don’t think that the Canadian example of cooperation between parties is going to work.
The co-operation doesn't derive from the parties, it derives from the electorate. The green leader came to prominence 2 years ago by defending a referendum result that neither of the other two parties wanted to implement (sound familiar?). Until 3 months ago, the conservatives and liberals were attacking each other as usual, with the greens being Mr Nice Guy, and ahead in the polls. The conservatives got a new leader who stopped the nastiness from his party. The liberal premier, when dropping the writ, had the usual go at the conservatives and greens. I am pretty sure his PR team told him the move backfired massively, and he was as sweet as pie thereafter.
Certainly, at the polls, there was nothing but pleasantness from all the party representatives, and at the doors everyone was reporting that the electorate want co-operation from the politicians. There were a lot more decent candidates at the current election, rather than the usual party apparatchiks. In fact, every candidate I'm aware of, from any of the three main parties, who was a strong, decent candidate got a good vote. All the weaker candidates, and all the slimeball incumbents, got dumped.

Now I await the actions of the new conservative premier-elect. He used to be their party communications director, which as a breed I trust about as far as I can throw them. He's not an idiot, so had clearly worked out that being the nice guy was going to work. Whether he means it or not, we shall see. Still, the green leader likes him personally, so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Decent candidates and a positive spirit of co-operation is what the electorate is not only saying, but voting for. One waits to see if the electorate will be as demanding in the UK.

Oddly enough, both conservatives and greens now back proportional representation, and the electorate voted No. Everyone has promised to respect the referendum result.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3537 Post by Krystal n Chips » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:11 pm

Never liet be said I don't have some of the chaps interests at heart

Here's a nice morale boosting piece for you all therefore.....

For others, please ensure you have a suitable receptacle ready for when you vomit.....which the content of the article and those involved induces.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tory-posts

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3538 Post by om15 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:35 pm

As always shoddy and second rate reporting, at least they did, in small print, actually contradict the headline incorporating their favourite insult by stating that a large number of those accused are not actually members of the Conservative Party.
This gentlemen does have a point,
David Pulman, a retired air traffic control assistant who is standing as a town council election candidate in Hampshire for the Tories, wrote that Islamophobia is “not surprising” in a Facebook rant about Muslims.
He wrote: “I guess people will stop being afraid of Islam … when the Islamic radicals stop beheading Christians, throwing homosexuals to their deaths from high buildings, beating women for disobeying their husbands, stoning to death the wife of a man who has committed adultery and generally trying to kill all non-Muslims and take over Christian countries? Islamophobia is perhaps not surprising?”
Presumably the editorial staff on the Guardian feel that husbands should beat their wives, when not stoning homosexuals to death that is, peculiar and not very right on logic there.

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#3539 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:46 pm

Islamophobia as a term is incorrect, and the error compounds the problem. A phobia is, from its ancient Greek roots, a 'running away' fear. It is in this sense that we get herpetophobia, e.g. fear of snakes. Current use of the term both insults the person it is used on, exacerbating the problem, and points in the wrong direction for the solution.
Islamorgair might be a more accurate term, which has the meaning of anger directed toward (righteous) punishment, but arguably uncontrolled. Wrath is another way of expressing part of the idea.
The point I'm making is that people exhibiting anger towards muslims largely feel they are justified in doing so. This is not an unreasoned phobia, but a considered, slow-burn anger. These people are not looking to run away, they are considering attacking. Telling an angry person they are a coward is about the dumbest thing one can do. To address the problem, one has first use a correct description, then prove to the person that their anger is unjustified. The difficulty here is that a large body of evidence, including verses of the Koran and the legal system in muslim countries, that means there are good grounds for thinking the anger is justified. I should perhaps add that the same problem exists with ultra-orthodox Jews, and did exist with almost all Christian groups in the Middle Ages...I'll bet you weren't expecting........

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#3540 Post by om15 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:52 pm

We have been subject to many links to the Guardian, this may have given the impression that its home city of Manchester is a drab and humourless place, where the inhabitants seldom laugh and the place is drenched in political correctness.
Not so, it is actually a leading city when it comes down to wit and sparkling humour, as shown here


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