BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

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Do you think the UK leaving the European Union would be a good thing?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:51 pm

Yes
36
72%
No
14
28%
 
Total votes: 50

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3401 Post by Sisemen » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:50 am

Woody wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:28 pm
Sisemen wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:01 pm
Woody wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:26 pm
Reduced to quoting vast tracts of the Fail and pinning your hopes on someone that has failed 7 times to be elected to Parliament, grasping at straws are we?
Anything is better than interminable quotes from the Gruainad.
When have I done that?
You haven’t - somebody else does

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#3402 Post by Woody » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:07 am

You haven’t - somebody else does
Still can’t get the point your trying to make?
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#3403 Post by Krystal n Chips » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:18 am

Woody wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:07 am
You haven’t - somebody else does
Still can’t get the point your trying to make?
I thunk, or rather I knows, he means me ....alas, his former occupation means clarity of communication is rendered "INOP " .

The reason for the current lack of links having been kindly explained in a recent post.....and blissfully missed it seems.

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#3404 Post by om15 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:23 am

Possibly not representative of the population as a whole, but none the less rather indicative of how feelings are running at the moment, the Daily Express (yes, yes I know) carried out a poll with 20,000 participants, results below,

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Readers of the Express are generally thought to incline towards the Tory party, here we see support for the Tories running at 1% and for the Brexit Party at 82%, even allowing for usual poll errors this is quite something.

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#3405 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:44 am

I always thought the Greek PM Tsipras should have been hired right after the referendum to give some advice.

My argument against Mr Farage, is like when a top-executive is hired to save a company and then it drops out. He won the referendum he should have stayed around to see it implemented.

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#3406 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:59 am

OFSO wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Listen to the speeches of the absolute shower of wets, ditherers and incompetent mugwumps emplanted in the House today. Then listen to Farage. No contest.
Agree with you and Ben.

The problem is that Farage, an excellent and charismatic orator cannot "change politics for good" (Farage DT 12 Apr). Only someone like Churchill or Thatcher, even Blair can change politics because their party was in power and they became leader.

May is in that position but she is neither excellent nor charismatic. Others, such as Powell, Smith, and dare I say it, Gove and Johnson* all charismatic but never leaders (one hopes).

As I said, Farage is just one man and not in the UK Parliament. Any other Brexit Party members elected are likely to be simple make-weights.

*I think Johnson has his chance as Foreign Secretary and blew it.

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#3407 Post by BenThere » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:01 am

I understand that sentiment, Runway, but in defense of Mr. Farage I would say he saw his mission accomplished and wanted out of the fray for a while. Time passed, he saw disfunction, and is now ready to get back into the fight. Like President Trump, I believe he is the most capable politician on his national landscape. Each of them possess the ability to drive their opposition nuts.

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#3408 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:32 am

Rwy in Sight, you have a point but Farage has no political power or influence in UK. He is an MEP and influential there and in the media at home but has no direct power.

I often wonder at the connection between the national parties and their MEP equivalents. I knew of only two MEP by name and one retired two years ago. In the UK political scene they are invisible with the one exception and as I said he has no voice in Parliament.

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#3409 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:51 am

I'm a Tory, but I'll never vote for them after all this.

I cannot imagine anybody ever voting for them again, so I'm amazed they even got 1% in that poll.

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#3410 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:58 am

It's not just Express readers, but Conservative Associations also.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetor ... party.html
I gather several Conservative associations have been surveying their members lately to gauge the level of dissatisfaction with the Brexit postponement. I’ve seen one set of findings, from a safe Conservative seat in the Home Counties, which do not make pretty reading for the Party leadership.

Asked how they intend to vote at the European election, fewer than a quarter answered Conservative. Almost half opted for the Brexit Party
From this article's comments:
I can only speak for my own Association - we have a majority of over 19,000 - but well over 80% of our 300 strong activist base has had enough and will not support the current leadership again under any circumstances.

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#3411 Post by OFSO » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:24 pm

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Seen in an Islington shop window this morning...

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3412 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:43 pm

There is a giant reckoning a-coming.

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#3413 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:54 pm

..or not; or at least, maybe not yet.
At what point will 'the people' take effective action to reject the established parties systems?
Will this be at the ballot box, or otherwise?
At any objective level, the politicians in almost all western countries are now effectively an elite class to whom, unless they are very unlucky, the Law does not apply. Nor are they, nor do they seem to feel they ought to be, subject to the will of the people or their own promises between elections.
My little corner of the World has a Provincial election taking place at the moment, and I shall be scrutineering at an advance poll in 2 hours.
Both main parties are trailing in the opinion polls, and have been for a year, but we know what opinion polls are worth these days.
We shall see if it starts here.....

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#3414 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:01 pm

Well Fox, it's this sort of carry on that led to la revolution Frogoise.

Now, I'm not sure we are quite ready for one of those, but when you build up the pressure this high, it'll not be released without a bang, or knowing the British, a low grumble...

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#3415 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:05 pm

No bread queues. No arbitrary executions. These are the the only factors which historically seem to promise a revolution.
Worth recalling the Brits did nothing in 1848 when most of the rest of Europe rose up.
There's no guarantee anything effective will happen, nor that it won't.

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#3416 Post by ian16th » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:18 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:05 pm
No bread queues. No arbitrary executions. These are the the only factors which historically seem to promise a revolution.
Worth recalling the Brits did nothing in 1848 when most of the rest of Europe rose up.
There's no guarantee anything effective will happen, nor that it won't.
We did it 1st in 1649!
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#3417 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:24 pm

Well, the Greeks introduced democracy in 507BC. Chopping leaders' heads off isn't the only way to go about it....

...but that's the fun part :ymdevil:


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#3418 Post by barkingmad » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:28 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:54 pm

At what point will 'the people' take effective action to reject the established parties systems?
Will this be at the ballot box, or otherwise?
Alas too many of the peasants are saying they won't/can't be bothered to vote any more due to disillusionment with the current incumbents in Cabinet and "Halitosis Hall".

And that's where it is really dangerous and I believe the next UK election, MEP or National, will show the old order has been well & truly kicked in the teeth which may throw up all sorts of politics alien to Westminster.

And whatever emerges may not be very wholesome and healthy though the system has been diseased for decades already.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3419 Post by Woody » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:44 am

When all else fails, read the instructions.

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Re: BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

#3420 Post by om15 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:05 am

This gets even more interesting, Sir Bill Cash is mounting a legal challenge to the extension claiming Mrs May has broken the law. Meanwhile the odds are now on a Corbyn win by 60 seats should there be an immediate election, Nigel is busy roaring defiance at his rally and MPs are going on holiday.
I have spent twenty five quid in quenching my rage at it all by joining the Brexit Party, I hope Nigel spends it on pints of Spitfire.

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