BREXIT - A Poll & Discussion

[OFSO]

Humpo Bumpo !

[Mrs Ex-Ascot]

This is the best explanation I've managed to find so far as to what the possible outcomes of this mess could be; https://news.sky.com/story/seven-scenar ... d-11608320

And I'm still horribly confused.

Am I right in thinking that the best outcome would be for the PM to win the vote of no confidence, stay as PM, and then allow Great Britain to exit the EU on the 29th of March as planned on a no deal Brexit?

Edit And does a no deal Brexit have to be voted in by Parliament? Or indeed does whatever is going to happen or not happen have to be decided by Parliamentary vote?

[om15]

I think (?) that if the Deal continues to be voted down by Parliament the legal position is that we automatically leave with no deal, that is the law. However very influential people, Dominic Grieve and the Speaker Bercow will bend the rules to try to prevent this, whether they are able to do this legally I'm not sure.
The EU are not known for swift action thinking on their feet, so I can't see them taking any form of initiative to move this forward.
One possible outcome is that if the backstop is removed this deal may go through.
I thought that Mrs May dealt with Corbyn quite well, he has been threating to call a no confidence vote at a time that suited him, but she put him on the spot last night so that he had to call it, and I think that the odds are she will not lose that vote later this evening.
Corbyn is a nasty bit of work, he really wasn't happy at being wrong footed last night and it showed, whatever is said and however much Corbyn tries to appear a challenge it is a fact that incredibly, even with the parlous state of the Tories, Labour are 6% behind in the polls, people are not forgetting Corbyn's past dalliance with terrorists, the IRA and so on, his anti sematic position and his devastating plans to return this country to the 1970s.

[Krystal n Chips]

I am reasonably certain that a "champagne socialist " name of Polly, and Guardian columnist, is possibly not held in too high esteem on here, or over on TOP for that matter.

However, for those who may have missed her, and heaven knows ..chaps, you have being depriving yourselves of a truly incisive lady here, one whose views tend to induce the equivalent of CAT in all right thinking (oxymoron ) minds.... allow me to introduce you to ...Ms Marina Hyde.

Please note also the crème de la crème of right wing articulation personified in the photo.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... pportunity

[om15]

I do read the on line Guardian, mainly because it's free and the book reviews and gardening bits are interesting.
However, the political columnists and in particular the women ones are pretty dreadful, Poly Toyneebea is absolutely ghastly, another old bag full of herself that has never done a days work in her life, moaning on all the time.
Marina Hyde is another one going the same way, the Guardian seems to select a particularly shill and strident sort of harridan to write their repetitive and unappetising articles. I suspect a good seeing too would do this latest one a world of good.

[Capetonian]

Brilliant speech by Gove just now. Laying into Corbyn and his bunch

[llondel]

There should be an immediate General Election. No pissing about.

Yeh but that's wots been Corbyn's agenda all along Mr Plum. You have your finger on the pulse better than us dumb buggers of Antipodean descent, but if a GE was called how big the risk of Labour gettin' in?

Last opinion poll I saw put the Tories several points ahead of Labour. It is notable that despite the chaos in the Tory party, Labour is unable to convince voters that they'd be a better option. However, given the complete mess the Tories made of the last election campaign, I'd say that Labour has a fighting chance.

Edit And does a no deal Brexit have to be voted in by Parliament? Or indeed does whatever is going to happen or not happen have to be decided by Parliamentary vote?

Whoever wrote the Bill that was passed to allow Brexit clearly saw this coming. If nothing else is agreed first, the default is that the UK will find itself out of the EU with no deal come the 29th March. So inaction is all that is required, which might be May's plan all along. Spend the next couple of months pissing around to the point where that's the inevitable outcome. If so, perhaps she's not incompetent, but playing a blinder and is prepared to sacrifice herself for the greater good. (Stop sniggering at the back!)

[4mastacker]

I'm glad Abbott wasn't doing the vote counting.

"The 'Ayes" to the right eleventytwelvtythree".

The 'Noes' to the left sixfourthyfivetwo".

[Undried Plum]

We're told by our controllers in Europe that we can rescind our Article 50 any time we like prior to March 29.

We are also told by our masters in Brussels that we cannot extend the two year period beyond that date without prior approval by the 27 members of the rump of what would be left of the EU if we piss off.

I can see a very easy way for mother Theresa to get around that.

She can very simply rescind the existing Article 50 by declaration. She can then declare a new Article 50 one minute later. Thus she can buy another 24 months for more humiliation in these one-sided 'negotiations' such as resulted in the 500 pages of gobshite which she calls the "Chequers" agreement.

[OFSO]

Yes, Mr Plum, very good and very logical. It would however require some backbone on the part of Mrs M., and since she resembles one of those jellyfish that used to disgust me as a child on Sheringham beach I can't see her doing anything other than plowing ahead with Plan A Release 2, "Caving in to the demands of Junkers, Tusk, and Uncle Tom Cobley and All in Brussels."

[om15]

The fact that Corbyn won't even speak to Mrs May unless she removes the possibility of no deal Brexit says it all.

This long time friend of terrorists and others opposed to democracy in Great Britain is trying to remove the most powerful bargaining position that we have. How anyone can fail to see through this bloke is beyond me, even some of his own labour MPs voted for the Government this evening.
I think Mrs May does have backbone, I would ideally prefer a hard no deal Brexit but I can see why Mrs May tried for this deal, and she isn't giving up yet, head and shoulders above Corbyn. Interestingly the ERG are quite relaxed about the default no deal Brexit, they feel that the law can't be changed however much Grieve, Bercow et al break the rules, can't wait for that to happen, but do admire Mrs May's tenacity.

[Undried Plum]

We voted to get out of the EU.

That must never be forgotten or overlooked or sidelined.

With or without a deal is a matter of circumstance and should never be used as an excuse to circumvent the will of the people as expressed in that irrevocable plebiscite.

Out means out. That is all.

Of course they will still want to buy our Jags and Range Rovers and Whisky and oil and fish and body parts and engines for frog airliners. Of course they will want to come and visit Ann Hathaway's cottage and watch the Brigade of Guards strutting their stuff on the Mall. Of course they will want to host our shell-suited yoof puking up cheap booze in the gutters of those ghastly resorts in the Balearics and Costas. We can still do all of that trade after we leave. Of course we can. Let's go!

[Sisemen]

A tiny sample on an obscure site but, I would suggest, indicative of the general feeling in the UK

[llondel]

The longer it goes on, the worse it will be. At some point we must get to where No Deal is inevitable because anything else would take too long. As I understand it, if Parliament went on a three month break, the UK would automatically leave with no deal at the end of March because they passed a law which says that. So, in the absence of a 'better' agreement, the only way Parliament can prevent No Deal is to amend/repeal that bit of legislation. Unless they decide it's an emergency, the Lords have standing orders which mandate a minimum time interval between different stages, which I think makes mid-Feb the latest they can be given a repeal Bill to consider. I assume the Commons probably have something similar. I'm not sure how they decide to suspend the standing orders, but a sizeable No Deal contingent might make that impossible.

[Krystal n Chips]

A [i]tiny sample on an obscure [/i]site but, I would suggest, indicative of the general feeling in the UK

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So obscure that a link to provide veracity is, strangely, missing. Providing sources of information, even if it's the Mail / Excess or Sun, does, generally add to offering credence to statements..well ok, minimally in the case of those named I know, but, a source is a source.

However, irrespective of the supposed poll, your summary as to the general feeling is woefully wrong. This on the basis that, thus far, nobody has actually asked the electorate what they really think...a second referendum could, of course, clarify matters.

In the real world therefore, in contrast to the microcosm of websites that is, the uncertain future of the UK's finances and how they are generated, is now becoming even more intense ......and for those suffering from insular myopia, or their obsession with self harm to be more precise, regarding their enthusiasm for a "no deal " Brexit I suggest, almost politely, you take a more expansive view of the UK's current perilous financial status and the very real prospect of recession in the relatively near future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46901217

[Krystal n Chips]

And, as mentioned previously, along with a very long list of other pertinent matters currently obscured by Brexit, here's another debacle in the making..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46900918

[probes]

The 'everyday fuss' and annoyance will be about the Green Card needed (for drivers), if there's no-deal, I guess?

[Krystal n Chips]

The 'everyday fuss' and annoyance will be about the Green Card needed (for drivers), if there's no-deal, I guess?

Actually, you are probably correct with your guess. It's only when the more tangible effects, and the "Green Card " is certainly one of them, begin to affect the population, that the population starts to really take notice.

Could do wonders for the UK home tourist industry, when everybody suddenly decides a "staycation " is the " must do" event in their holiday plans....nothing to do with rising costs of travelling to an EU country of course.

[OFSO]

In my time living in Europe and having car insurance issued in three different countries, and pre-dating the EU, every insurance policy covered every European country with no green card necessary. AFAIK, only the UK issued a green card to people going 'abroad'. The only exception to this was that for drivers of motorhomes or campers going to Spain a supplementary carnet/insurance was needed if the driver intended to camp off-site.

[om15]

Yes of course, after Brexit no one will be able to go on holiday in Europe, just like they can't go on holiday to America, Russia, Japan and Bolivia.
You Remainers really are full of the most transparent rubbish, nothing will change simply because it is in no ones interest for it to do so, just Project Fear/Bore nonsense.