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Non-binding vote rejecting a no deal exit on 29th March passed 312-308, against the Government whip.
Non-binding vote rejecting a no deal exit at all amendment to the above passed 321-278, against the Government whip.
Government has a binding rejection of the only proposed deal, and a non-binding rejection of no deal.
MPs have already voted down a request for a short extension, but this is exactly what the Government has just put forward a debate and vote on tomorrow.
Jezza has again called for a general election. If May prorogued Parliament tomorrow, then the UK would in fact leave without a deal on 29th March during the election campaign under current legislation.

What's ya money on?

If I voted not to crash into a wall under any circumstances when driving the twisty road down my hill, and my brakes or steering failed, the crash would happen regardless of my vote.

That the hundreds of incompetent f*ckwits in the House voted against May's "deal" AND against "no-deal" is a shameful illustration of their stupidity. No vote is going to stop it.

29th March will see (1) no-deal, (2) a short extension or (3) a long extension. Can any intelligent person believe May can negotiate a deal which will pass Parliament in a month, two months, a year, ten years, until the sun burns out ?

The only option she personally has to guarantee leaving and honour the referendum is to call a general election immediately.

Capetonian wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:52 pm

Sadly, with the possible exception of Jacob Rees Mogg, you're probably right. Heaven forbid they have an election and the country gets the unholy alliance of Corbin, Abbott, and McDonald. Even the illegal invaders would leave.

That option worries me, in fact, it terrifies me.
Even committed Conservative voters are now unlikely to vote Conservative now, which leaves the door open to an even worse option than remaining in the EU.

God forbid that any UK voter should be obliged to choose an independent candidate with principles and intelligence.
I mean, they might have to read pamphlets and go to debates, instead of just voting for who their dad did. Or didn't.

The political party system is disappearing up its own a-hole, and not just in the UK, and for the same reasons everywhere.

Pound at 1.18. Bet someone's making money.

The nice thing about elections is that they correct past mistakes. If Venezuelans get honest elections back do you think they'll vote Socialist again?

Values like honesty, wisdom, stability gain currency mostly after such values get voted out of office and the consequences are felt.

Not always. Sometimes the public picks someone you might expect to have all the qualities you mentioned, a Veteran with a bravery medal for example.
Name of Adolf.
Out of the frying pan into the Reichstag fire.

Any of you chaps by any chance thinking of setting up a Crowdfunding site in aid of the impoverished Divine Saviour.......? Sadly, that nice Mr Banks is no longer his bestest friend, ever !...so not much hope of being bailed out there.

Still, it's nice to read Nige has remained consistent ...with his fallacies about the EU, immigrants, and now....himself. The term "off shore " also gets a mention ....bit like JR-M really.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -up-400000

Does it mean that if the voters give an unwanted answer they will be required to vote again, and again and again until they vote the 'right' way?

..and then never given the chance to vote again - you can't trust 'em!

Undried Plum wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:59 am

Does it mean that if the voters give an unwanted answer they will be required to vote again, and again and again until they vote the 'right' way?

Sadly that is exactly what has happened with other referenda and would happen if any second referendum had a small leave majority. If there was a small remain majority there would also be calls for a third.

Only if there was a massive swing should one side gracefully concede.

The other more likely peoples' vote would be an election. With both parties essentially backing remain, or is it leave (my head hurts) how would that solve anything?

The simplest solution would be to turn the clock back. Of course business has changed and prepared significantly in the last 2 years (months, weeks, days) so would be better prepared to leave in 4-5 or 6 years time.

How much might the EU change after its elections?

And shares have gone up again.

Share prices no longer have a connection to financial or geopolitical reality.

The solution is not a second referendum, it is a general election. If the current politicians cannot carry out the wishes of the people, whether by inclination or capability, ones who can must be found. All those suggesting a second referendum are fundamentally arrogant, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power.

Summed up perfectly in five minutes

Hear, hear!

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 am

Share prices no longer have a connection to financial or geopolitical reality.

The solution is not a second referendum, it is a general election. If the current politicians cannot carry out the wishes of the people, whether by inclination or capability, ones who can must be found. All those suggesting a second referendum are fundamentally arrogant, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power.

But who to vote for if the same bunch of charlatans stand for re-election?

Suppose I don't want my MP but the apparatchiks out him forward to I vote for the opposition?

A voice from afar.

It seems that any delay of Brexit requires a unanimous 'Yes' vote from all 27 remaining members of the EU.

So isn't there a way of getting a collection to 'buy' the required 'No' vote from Estonia or Lithuania or sum such.

It would only cost about the same as a round of drinks.

But who to vote for if the same bunch of charlatans stand for re-election?

I wouldn't dream of telling anyone else how to vote in situations like this. Every option is bad.
Personally, my solution has been to remove myself to somewhere where the Government has least impact on anything I want to do, and I am surrounded by people who think likewise.
"You don't want to tell the Government nothing" as one old lady said to me not long ago. Stupid laws are widely ignored, and nobody talks to the Government about people they see breaking them, even if rewards are offered. Even if the thing is something I disagree with, like for instance the shambles that is my neighbour's mobile home, I know that getting the Government involved will merely lead to them taking some of my freedoms further down the line. So, I tolerate, and work on good example being the best persuasion.
Canadians seem to have some hard lines with politicians, and they will vote for the other party if a politician crosses them. They then switch back when the party gets rid of that MP or Leader. I've seen that both provincially and federally. On one hand, they seem to be getting the message. On the other, the same kind of problems as the UK keep happening with the kind of people becoming politicians. Perhaps that is now changing. My Province is probably going to the polls in a month and a half, and there are indications that there may be a Green majority government, with its candidates including my current mailman, who hadn't dreamed of running for office 3 years ago, but is as fed up with the status quo as the rest of us. We shall see what happens!

*The PEI Green Party is not like the UK Green party. Indeed, it is functionally independent from, but receives support from, the Federal Green Party. They want sensible things, not pie-in-the-sky lentil-munching rubbish.

The nice thing about elections is that they correct past mistakes.

It is unbelievable that Corbyn and his shower can enjoy any support at all, however they do, amongst the young and the deranged.
In the 1970's Great Britain under socialism makes the present situation in Venezuela look like paradise, the actual Government at the time didn't appear to be hell bent on destroying the Country, but the natural results of socialism were rubbish bins piled to the height of small tower blocks full of rubbish, the streets piled waist high with decomposing corpses, the pound worthless and the offices of state held by people with severe learning difficulties.
The main difference now is that the present passel of socialists are completely open about their plans to terminally destroy the UK, there is no ambiguity about it, but still they have support, quite amazing.

With the Tories now completely unelectable it gives the socialist hordes a clear run at our savings, pensions, property and standard of living, what a mess.