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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#4841 Post by llondel » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:22 pm

So is the rest of the world if he gets re-elected.

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#4842 Post by BenThere » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:55 pm

That's your take, llondel. My take is that there will be hell to pay if he doesn't get re-elected. The choice for those outside the US is, 'Do you want a strong US or not?'

Within the US the choice is, 'Do you want to live in LA, San Francisco, or Detroit, or would Orlando, Boise, or Salt Lake City be more to your liking?' It's a tough call, with LA and San Francisco choosing to become Detroit while counterparts choose the strong economy and high quality of life a conservative environment has shown to deliver.

One factor to note is where among the American states people are moving to and where they are leaving. Anecdotally, as a Michigan resident, I noted over the last 10 years or so, Michigan went from being the economic doormat of the US to now having a booming economy, prosperous and growing, and now, despite Northern weather, have net in-migration, something we haven't had in a generation or two. The variation over that span is that we voted out the Democrats and elected Republicans to run the state.

President Trump narrowly took Michigan in 2016 and that, along with electing a totally Republican legislature, is when our recovery started. When we elected a Democrat governor last year I wondered, 'What are people thinking? Everything is going so well.' But as always, we get the government we deserve, as we vote the scoundrels in.

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#4843 Post by llondel » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Oh I agree, there will be a reaction if he doesn't get re-elected. It's down to which flavour of hell do you want.

I have to admit that if the Russians really wanted to cause chaos, they'd be trying to give support to the Dems this time and then let that leak afterwards to undermine the credibility of the election and give Trump something to tweet about. If polling suggests the Dems are going to win anyway then they'd have nothing to lose.

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#4844 Post by BenThere » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:26 pm

I don't think anything Russians can do could really sway a US national election. The Russian economy is a shambles, its demographic profile is catastrophic, and it's functionally an oligarchic dictatorship. That is not a recipe for success, and the only card Russia holds is the massive throw weight of its nuclear arsenal, a deteriorating asset as the technology countering ICBM offenses continues to develop and be deployed.

I continue to hang my hat on a truth that has held for nearly 300 years: Betting against the USA has been a bad bet in the past and will continue to be a bad bet in the future as far as we can see.

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#4845 Post by Boac » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:30 pm

"I don't think anything Russians can do could really sway a US national election." - where HAVE you been these last few years? =))

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#4846 Post by llondel » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:40 pm

BenThere wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:26 pm
I don't think anything Russians can do could really sway a US national election.
Whether they are capable of actions that have an effect or not pales in comparison with the perception that they might have affected things. If Trump wins then the Dems will no doubt claim they interfered, and if he loses it wouldn't surprise me if he claims that Crooked Hillary colluded with the Russians again.

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#4847 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:56 pm

BenThere wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:26 pm
I continue to hang my hat on a truth that has held for nearly 300 years: Betting against the USA has been a bad bet in the past and will continue to be a bad bet in the future as far as we can see.
You really need to read a bit about what happens to empires after a couple of hundred years.

There is no such thing as a thousand year Reich. Empires typically last about 250 years or so.

I commend Glubb's book book on the matter to you.

Else, try watching and learning from this well-researched and well explained documentary:


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#4848 Post by BenThere » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 pm

But there has never been an empire like the US. Unlike former empires, it is not expansionist and doesn't seek to increase its realm, so it hasn't expanded its territory beyond its ability to control it.

I don't know how long it will last. I'm concerned about the Left controlling our education institutions, our news, Hollywood, and its ability and proclivity to create division and resentments. That all works against what built America to begin with.

I'm just humbly grateful to have been born and lived through the golden American age. I'd like to pass it on as I enter my dotage and don't have much to lose. The creepy thing for me is that the Socialist swan song still attracts adherents despite the proof of history.

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#4849 Post by John Hill » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 pm

BenThere wrote:
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The creepy thing for me is that the Socialist swan song still attracts adherents despite the proof of history.
Nothing to do with history but more to do with wealth inequality.
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#4850 Post by BenThere » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 pm

Interestingly the economies with the greatest wealth inequalities tend to have the highest levels of general standard of living. There are exceptions, mostly due to rampant corruption, but a free market, capitalist economy, where individuals are allowed to succeed and keep most of the fruits of their success, produces the best life for the masses. Example: USA.

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#4851 Post by John Hill » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:20 pm

Russia and India have a higher wealth disparity than the USA.
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#4852 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:12 pm

So does Nigeria.

It's a hell of a yardstick of the quality of a society, innit?

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#4853 Post by John Hill » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:05 am

New Zealand has an increasing wealth inequality with increasing unemployment and general poverty while social support systems are in slow decline. It has been that way all my life.
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#4854 Post by Slasher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:12 am

BenThere wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 pm
Example: USA.
Except where the Democrunts run the state e.g. California.

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#4855 Post by Slasher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:07 am

What Pocahontas won't tell her fandom...



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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#4856 Post by Stoneboat » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:01 pm

Within the US the choice is, 'Do you want to live in LA, San Francisco, or Detroit, or would Orlando, Boise, or Salt Lake City be more to your liking?' It's a tough call, with LA and San Francisco choosing to become Detroit while counterparts choose the strong economy and high quality of life a conservative environment has shown to deliver.
Thank Christ for the Electoral College, otherwise LA, SF and Detroit would be calling the shots for the rest of the country.

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#4857 Post by Boac » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm

Back to skool for the Chump, I fear, or take away his Twitter crayons?

"“We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, ot proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone. I am in no hurry.”

4/10 for spelling and 2/10 for Twatting. 'Cocked' he certainly is, but 'loaded' with what? You'd think the likely casualty rate would have been a calculated part of the decision to launch.

All very Presidential. no? I actually think he'd do better to get Melanie to Twat.

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#4858 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:04 pm

If a hostile power sent a military aircraft within 20 miles of the US coast, or of Israel, do you think it wouldn't be shot down?

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#4860 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:19 am

A serious problem is that when does these flip-flops on his own decisions, he doesn't only do one flip-flop. It's a matter of counting the number of flip-flops. If It's an even number, then the original decision is back on. If it's an odd number, then the decision is off -- until the next flip-flop.

Having someone as unstable as that in charge of an insanely aggressive military is scary.

Be in no doubt. If he attacks Iran there will be counter-attacks in response. The people of Sherwood Crescent and Rosebank, and of PanAm, learned that one the hard way.

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