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#41 Post by IJ Reilly » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:08 pm

It really is interesting, this woman-abuse talking point. I'm not sure this isn't a load of feigned moral outrage. I know we're supposed to be talking about Trump, but the silence from our European friends about Clinton's abuse and vilification of his own victims is deafening. In fact, back in the Clinton era, we were supposed to believe that Americans were just naive little simpletons, with all this impeachment of a President over an oval-office BJ. Back then, there was zero talk from the now uptight left about power structures and workplace intimidation. We just were too uptight ourselves, and our sax-playing boy President was the helpless victim.

And somehow we don't hear much about Silvio Berlusconi (in power almost 10 years), and you can't tell me that the corrupt little Gerhard Schroeder (married four times) was a paragon of honour and virtue.

Look, Trump is a creep. But the phony crocodile tears, heavens, give me a break!

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#42 Post by 500N » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:19 pm

Well said.

I like the way Chuks craps on about Trumps lack of respect for women yet as you say, what about the Clintons, both Bill and Hillary.

She has no respect for anyone else and treats everyone like crap, servants.

Works both ways.

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#43 Post by Airborne Aircrew » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:44 pm

Chuks:

You're so full of it your eyes are brown. You've been in the military. You know what soldiers are like and pantie waist metrosexuals they are most certainly not. Though one could accept that you may have been the exception that proves the rule.

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#44 Post by obgraham » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:49 pm

Chuks, you seem to be having a big problem moving beyond the campaign issues into the reality of the election outcome.

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#45 Post by Chuks » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:22 pm

One more time, guys. This is the T R U M P thread.

Obgraham, the way that our President-elect views women, how he sometimes behaves towards women, right down to committing sex assault ... that was only a campaign issue, not an ongoing question about his fitness to rule, his character and all?

Why the fuss about the Clintons, then? The one ruled effectively, and the other never made it into office, right? Who is having trouble here moving beyond the campaign issues?

Moral outrage? Huh? How stupid do you think I am, to pose as morally outraged by what this New York low-life Trump gets up to, while not bothering to go a bit mad about Bill Clinton or Silvio Berlusconi? There is a subtle difference here that seems to have slipped past all of you. Both Clinton and Berlusconi were somewhat elusive about what they were getting up to, Silvio much less than Bill. Donald Trump, in that tape, felt that kissing and groping were his privilege, that he could do these things because he was "a star." He was boasting, not trying to hide anything. If you think that makes him an honest man, well, yeah, sort of ....

Looking ahead, a man with that mindset is going to do shameless self-dealing as President. Another thing is that with his record of open, shameless lying (the Toronto Star counted over 500 lies from Trump, just during this campaign) President Trump should not expect anyone to take him at his word. Even before he gets into office his image is shot!

Most Germans are simply agog, it seems, wondering what is going to happen next with this utter clown. There is no comparison with Bill Clinton, who was always very measured in his policy, since Trump has been all over the map with his own utterances. The most important thing about Trump and women is that it shows how out of whack the guy's moral compass really is, when that should carry over to things that matter even more.

The very next thing for our President-elect is a court appearance, as the defendant in the Trump University fraud case. I look forward to reading here about how the libtards are being sooo mean to poor Donald, while overlooking all the little people whom he swindled. That won't be a campaign issue, will it, seeing our President-elect in the dock?

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#46 Post by Airborne Aircrew » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:35 pm

One more time, guys. This is the T R U M P thread.


No stupid... Look at the title of the thread and zip it...

Ah, yes, the election outcome...

After 2010, 2014 and now the 2016 elections the Democrat party now has both the governorship and control of the state legislatures in a grand total of 5 states. They are Rhode Island, Hawaii, Oregon, California and Connecticut. In fact they technically control only 4 but because there is a tie in the Connecticut legislature that is broken in favor of the Democrats by virtue of the governor casting the deciding vote.

Despite what Obama tried to tell everyone that there are 57 states there are only 50. That means Liberalism has been repudiated in 90% of the United States. Yet it is amusing to see that, despite such utter rejection of socialism the MSM keep plugging away trying to "sway" the populace down a road they have firmly blocked.

This is also a perfect example of the reason the Electoral College exists. Hillary is purported to have won the popular vote, (though if we could accurately extract the illegal votes I suspect that would change). If we used the popular vote as the benchmark Hillary would be the President and we would have a country where 90% of the states have rejected socialism but are now being dictated to by the very thing they rejected. The genius of the Founding Fathers isn't always apparent but in this case it most certainly is.

Is that your bottom lip quivering Chuks... Rejection hurts eh? =)) =))
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#47 Post by IJ Reilly » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:52 pm

No Chuks, I don't think that makes him an honest man. As I said and as you failed to read, I think it makes him a creep. Go advertise in Craig's List for an au pair who can read for you, perhaps that will help your comprehension if not your concentration.

Lookit, you're the one who keeps blathering on about his moral compass. I'm merely pointing out that you are being a bit coy, in an obviously transparent way, about who and what you choose to criticize. If being a slimy, arrogant mess should prevent one from being in office, how did your good Germans keep electing Schroeder? I'll give you the answer: they simply looked the other way.

Nothing richer than Newt Gingrich on TV justifying the Donald's behavior, when he spent the better part of his speakership running Clinton in the ground for worse. Since you managed to escape the depravity of the Port Harcourt night fighters, I'm surprised you're now as morally conflicted as Gingrich.

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#48 Post by Chuks » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:52 pm

Mr. Reilly, you might think the Donald a creep, but most Americans polled thought that he was more honest than Hillary Clinton, despite his unmatched record of lies. That is pretty much what I was referring to, not your personal opinion of Donald Trump. You and I can be as morally outraged as we want to be, but what matters more is that general, undifferentiated view held by the polity. How the hell Trump comes off as honest is a great mystery, but he does.

Part of that surprisingly positive view of Trump's honesty many have comes from the way that he has been so open about his creep behavior, I guess, compared to Bill Clinton's pettifogging about the meaning of "is" for instance. For that view of Trump's honesty we have to overlook who did what, who behaved more badly, when neither one behaved well. Trump is the one going into office while Clinton is history, so that he behavior matters more right now, I think.

If Gerhard Schroeder had ever called the German commitment to NATO into question then he would have been out on his ear. If he had ever vocalized the kind of stuff Trump did about women, ditto. Gerhard is a creep, sure, but he behaved himself when in office. Afterwards ... now he seems to be working on behalf of Gerhard Schroeder GmbH. He's another one who's a Friend of Vlad, although not as far gone as Donald Trump.

Thanks for pointing that out, AA. Don't worry too much about rejecting me. With some of you, I think it's a good alternative to acceptance. It's nothing personal, but, so to say, lips that have kissed Donald Trump's butt shall never kiss mine.

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#49 Post by Airborne Aircrew » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:56 pm

Chuks:

Thanks for pointing that out,


No problem mate... I figure your arguments make you look silly enough, a simple utter lack of awareness needn't add to your problems... :-bd
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#50 Post by Chuks » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:58 pm

I'm not sure that you really follow many of the arguments here, AA. That image of a dog watching television continues to arise, reading your posts. Do you understand just who you are supporting here, how deeply defective Donald Trump really is as a person?

I expect that you and your ilk are going to be really disappointed when April rolls around. "April is the cruellest month ... " when this coming April might be especially cruel for people just like you who have put full faith in this charlatan. Losing Hillary is not such a big problem for me, but how is it going to be for you, finding yourselves stuck with Donald Trump?

Don't expect any sympathy if Trump turns out to be exactly what he's shown himself to be over years now; you should have seen him coming.

Even though you people don't seem to be all that aware of the outside world you may still have a really, really rude awakening. That's the next thing I am looking forward to, in fact. We can carry on playing patty-cake if you like, when you seem to be scoring yourself ahead in these childish encounters, but something real still might be coming, next April.

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#51 Post by 500N » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:19 pm

Chuks wrote:I'm not sure that you really follow many of the arguments here, AA. That image of a dog watching television continues to arise, reading your posts. Do you understand just who you are supporting here, how deeply defective Donald Trump really is as a person?

I expect that you and your ilk are going to be really disappointed when April rolls around. .



And you kept saying Hillary isn't defective.

I think every agrees tboth were flawed, most (as shown by the election result) that Hillary was the most flawed.


And as for disappointment, well we have had 8 years of it with Obama, even Blacks in the US think
they are no better off after 8 years. Doesn't it says a lot.


Did you read up on who voted for Trump ?
A few BIG surprises there, including Women, blacks and Hispanics, the very people
who were not expected to vote for her.

She blew it whereas Trump was spot on with who to target and what to say.

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#52 Post by Airborne Aircrew » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:56 pm

Oh my Chuks, you are so frightened about how Donald may mess up your sweet little socialist utopia that now you are trying to tell us how he won't do so...

Why don't you sit back, crack a beer and wait and see what happens... I mean, he's already fulfilled one promise, you know, the one about heading off a potential war with Russia by... wait for it... talking to Putin... **** me... What a concept... I know, it undermines Obama and Hillary's genius policy of removing Assad. But then again, looking at how the destabilization of rulers in Egypt, Iraq and Libya have benefited both the world and the Middle East the guy might have something... Let's see how it works....

I know, patience isn't a strength of the left... But then I can't think of a single strength of the left...In fact, as far as I can see the "strength" of the left seems to be it's weakness - mental, intellectual and physical. Could you please point me to _real_ examples that would refute that conclusion.

If that's a bit too difficult you could spend some time here. It might help with your feelings of anger and desolation...
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#53 Post by Chuks » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:33 pm

500N, you will simply have to get over the fact that Hillary Clinton lost this election. I find myself in a state of near-complete indifference to that fact. Some of you seem to think that people such as myself must be mired in deepest sorrow over this loss. No, as many of us have repeatedly said, she was simple the less-worse of the two. Now she's gone, and "So what?" If Hillary really does get tangled up in some legal process due to whatever she has done, so be it. We must now turn our attention to the President-elect, Donald Trump. Who was bad, who was worse, only one person is going to the White House, and that is Trump, not Clinton.

Yes, Trump succeeded with his lying, simple-minded, often fact-free speeches to his credulous supporters, to people just like you and AA except people with votes. That worked like a charm, went down smooth as goose grease. So? This is not my problem, how he won. The problem is simply that he won, so that now we have to confront his genuinely defective man taking power.

This is the thing so many of his supporters were willing to overlook, that they have now put a really, really bad choice for President into power. Sure it was fun giving the Washington establishment the finger, after it had done so little for so many in the white working class. It's just too bad that they did not stop to think what was going to happen next, if Trump won. In this way it looks very much like Brexit, a surprise, narrow victory, followed by some very serious consequences that had gone overlooked.

Who is this "we" you are writing about, 500N? Did you somehow think that Obama was President of the whole world, when you tell us that "we had 8 years of [disappointment] with Obama ... "? Actually, I think you get a little thrill standing up on your hind legs and shouting about this or that foreign ruler. When you tire of mewling about Hillary, you will be back at it telling everyone about that terrible, terrible Angela Merkel, won't you? You would think that Germany has even less to do with Oz than the USA, so that there must be something else working on you here. Have you ever had a scan for bigotry?

AA, one strength of the left? If by that you mean college-educated White members of the so-called liberal elite, then one comes immediately to mind. Almost all of them know that "its" forms the possessive of "it." It's not my's, your's, our's, him's, her's, it's, or even their's, but mine, yours, ours, his, hers, its, and theirs. Amazing thing, this language of ours, and most of these people you delight in calling stupid and now, for a bit of variety I suppose, mentally, intellectually, and physically weak, have learned how to write English without looking, well, stupid!

This is something you have failed to do, AA, and your failure is a sign of weakness. Knowing how to write proper English is a strength.

You are a weak person in that small way, here backing a person who is weak in very many large ways.

Was that difficult, me finding one sign of strength of the left, one you obviously were unable to think of? No, not really, which probably hints that there are simply a lot of other things that you, like those who actually voted for Trump, also have trouble thinking of. Let this Trump presidency roll along, when you may actually be forced to think. I think you may come to think that you are screwed, and screwed in a very funny way, namely by getting just what you wished for!

AA, this public school of yours ... did you ever come across Fowler's Modern English Usage there?

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#54 Post by Airborne Aircrew » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:56 pm

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AA, one strength of the left? If by that you mean college-educated White members of the so-called liberal elite, then one comes immediately to mind. Almost all of them know that "its" forms the possessive of "it." It's not my's, your's, our's, him's, her's, it's, or even their's, but mine, yours, ours, his, hers, its, and theirs. Amazing thing, this language of ours, and most of these people you delight in calling stupid and now, for a bit of variety I suppose, mentally, intellectually, and physically weak, have learned how to write English without looking, well, stupid!


That's your best? You're kidding, right? You're the retard that stated, more than once, that this is the Trump thread when the Admin, in three separate threads, said she was closing them and starting a generic "US Hampster wheel"... Yes, I noticed how you, in your rather ridiculous partisanship manage to accuse me of idiocy while you give the Admin who is a compatriot of yours a complete pass... But we won't go there because we both know how utterly pathetic it makes you look so we'll move on to your lack of awareness regarding what is going on around you....

A person who constantly makes a statement that is incorrect regarding the current environment without looking to see what the current environment really is is the same as the pathetic little snowflakes that are soooo butt hurt by the result of this election... It's similar to the morons being paid to "protest" when they didn't even vote...

You, yes, you are the deplorable...

Silly question, (I might have missed it), did you vote in this recent election... Specifically, the election of the President of the USA in 2016?
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#55 Post by SOPS » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:31 am

I have to admit, I keep reading Chuks posts, hoping that I will make sense of them, but I keep failing.

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#56 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:04 am

Keeps us out of mischief, no time for much else !

Try this, Trump -v-Oprah.

VIDEO Uncovered Trump Interview From Over 25 Years Ago Will Shock A Lot of People

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MOKi5YeNtRI[/bbvideo]

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#57 Post by 500N » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:41 am

Which bit do you think would shock people ?

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#58 Post by Chuks » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:46 am

AA, here's what you wrote: 'I know, patience isn't a strength of the left... But then I can't think of a single strength of the left...In fact, as far as I can see the "strength" of the left seems to be it's weakness - mental, intellectual and physical. Could you please point me to _real_ examples that would refute that conclusion.' (sic)

That was an easy one for me, just as easy as noticing that I stupidly forgot that this is not the Trump hamster wheel was for you; the people of the so-called elite usually know how to write proper English, as you ("hampster," again) obviously do not. If this is some contest of strength then it's one that uses words: written English. It would be different if we were arguing about how far each of us could toss a refrigerator, a dwarf, or a porcupine, measuring physical strength as you have somehow already done. Here it's just words, when those who can write proper English are stronger than those who can not. (That said, is someone who stops his ranting to notice the title of a thread ahead of someone who does not, someone just like me? I am afraid so! Score one for AA!)

You accuse me of failing to pick a fight with the person whose website this is, because I generally agree with her. Yeah, you got me there again. Arguing with people I loosely agree with just doesn't seem like such an intelligent thing to do, AA.

Let's give it four months or so. By then we may well be in agreement about Donald Trump, when we can both turn around and pick a fight with Alison, two deplorables shoulder to shoulder, what makes America grate.

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#59 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:10 am

Which bit do you think would shock people ?


Not my comment. akcherly thought it quite prophetic.

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#60 Post by Chuks » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:03 am

There's been this allegation floating around that Trump said he'd run as a Republican because Republicans are stupid and gullible, something he said in a print interview with People magazine. That seems a bit extreme even for Donald Trump, and it turns out that it's probably not so, certainly not in that magazine interview: http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2015/12/1 ... /77099822/

Trump does enjoy using this "A lot of people are saying," and "A reliable source told me," tactic so that it's funny that he's fallen prey to it himself, but still, a fact is a fact. Not, as sometimes here, a FACT, just something you shout out to make it true, more than just a rumor or an unfounded opinion.

I wonder if anyone is going to bother to ask Trump whatever became of that report from Kenya, after he sent his detectives there to find out about Obama being a Kenyan, not an American, what reliable sources had told him. I guess that's just old news, like waiting to see his tax returns.

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